Arminians are not Christians
That is obvious. That Satan has many arguments by the Arminians that say they are Christian brethren and that Calvinists are meanies to openly say the Arminian is a witch who undermines all he may with a sheer volume of lies to be wondered at is without doubt. So what? What is the chaff to the wheat or the look-a-like/darnel to the wheat?
In the end, the basic argument of the Arminian is that based on his own self-willed observations of Scripture, no one can really know if another person is elect. When God says though Paul “knowing your election” (1Thess 1:4 knowing, brethren beloved by God, your election. ) and through John “to the elect lady” (2John 1:1 The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom *I* love in truth, and not *I* only but also all who have known the truth,), God supposedly means “not knowing your election” and “to the person who I, with my self-will, guess is elect”. The foundation of all Arminian logic is that God is not in anyone, and so everyone is left guessing and hoping about truth and that the better part of polite behavior is to keep your guesses to yourself no matter what you see and hear. Play dumb.
But the reality is that God non-metaphorically resides in us as Spirit. He not only testifies that we are elect and sons of God and are lead by the Spirit of God, but plainly shows us Satan’s co-workers by their fruits.
It is quite the polite speech by many young Calvinists that “arminians are brethren” of some sort, but simply immature. RC Sproul has said as much. But they are deceived. Anyone who is supposedly ‘struggling toward faith’ is NOT, repeat NOT a Christian. Anyone who thinks they are so smart, so strong and so clever as to have picked for themselves who God is out of supposed equally powerless conflicting information and then chooses when, where and under what circumstances to serve Him is the most vain, proud beast that can exist and is NOT, repeat NOT a Christian.
True Christians are born again by the hearing of the Word of God. We do not go through stages of being born again. There is no ‘journey’ to be born again. There is no in-between person or ceremony between us and being born again. In short, there is no need whatsoever for the entire Arminian religion, bookstore, mission board or anything else ..except for Satan to confuse all he may and destroy who he cannot confuse through open warfare. There is no reason for Southern Baptists, Assembly of God, Pentecostals, Presbyterians or independent churches to be down at the Freemasons lodge or signing “solidarity statements” with pagan religions ..other than to plan attack against Christians. There is no purpose for arminian theology other than to fracture the body of Christ as much as possible by simply deceiving young Christians that there are many ‘types’ of Christians and each one is pleasing to God and equally valid.
Every single attack of immorality, from gambling, to organized crime, to lust, to hate, to pornography, to prostitution and slavery to abortion cannot live without the arminian doctrine preached 24/7 365 as free will paradigm for society. In every way with every means, the preacher and lay person who believes and preaches human free will is backing and pushing destruction on themselves and on their neighbors and laughing about it. That they then seek to play the part of the hurt brother when they are found out is a matter of course.
It is one thing to understand that we are born again from among fallen man, just like all the rest. It is quite another to take that understanding and twist it into a defense of Satanic attacks against Christians both here and overseas.
Arminianism cannot survive as a fake Christianity without support from real Christians being deceived, the exact same way the Freemasons and Shriners cannot survive as a ‘philanthropic, fraternal organization’ without the facade of Christian participation, the same way Oxfam cannot survive as a ‘charitable organization’ without the facade of Christian participation. What we are seeing is a more conservative Arminianism and Roman Catholicism and the like to draw back from their more obvious excesses in order to stay alive in the presence of an awakened Christian community. Suddenly, four point or even five point New Calvinists are appearing who just happen to think John Wesley was a Christian. They speak out against one attack of Arminian machine in order to support another: the excesses of “the sinner’s prayer” and “altar calls” are decried, in order to give the speaker validity among Calvinists ..to spread “prevenient grace’ lies or to ‘warn’ young Calvinists against a made up charge of ‘intellectualism’. Then another set of Arminians says that they are neither Arminians or Calvinists and that supposedly makes them superior as a dogma. Then someone else comes along and tries to parse out Pelagianism, semi-Pelagianism and other versions of free will based pagan religion in order to ‘know what they are against’. One kind of free willer gets extremely angry to be called another of kind of free willer. These things go on all the time.
A Muslim doesn’t want to be called a Catholic. A Hindu doesn’t want to called an animist. A Methodist doesn’t want to be called a Episcopalian, thank you very much. A Mormon doesn’t want to be mistaken for a Unitarian. But they all believe and worship human free will as if it were real. They worship Satan. The whole ‘don’t confuse me with that other group of free will based religion’ routine is a complete farse.
Does no one ever wonder why the favorite new evangelist of each year and decade is ALWAYS an Arminian or a Calvinist who has given Arminians the right hand of fellowship?! Why the press, expressly understood and known to be liberal, God-haters and pushers of pagan religion as best and as often as they may, always seek out such persons to champion? The same press that always portrays abortion, homosexuality and ‘choice’ in a positive light and refuses to report on homosexual rapes, gay parties, the growth of AIDS, the murder of children even out of the womb or anything else that would not help their agenda of immorality? Are you to believe these things are complete accidents? The same people portray Casinos as ’employment’. There is not one immoral social issue that goes forward without at least the facade of Christian approval. They breed false prophets expressly for that purpose who are experts at camouflaging what they really believe and what they really want with the aid of the pagan media houses.
Of course Arminians will welcome you into fellowship as a ‘real Calvinist’ and call all others ‘hyper-Calvinists’ and the like. They lie. They always lie. You are not supposed to notice is ALWAYS the arminians and those who worship the lie of human free will that say evangelism is ‘cultural imperialism’ and forbid it where they may while the arminians laugh and accuse Calvinist of ‘thwarting the gospel’ and other such lies. They merely multiply lies and seek to catch Calvinists in a new trap of sheer incredulity at the boldness of Arminian lies every day.
And each time they can get a old, pop Calvinist like RC Sproul or John Piper to compromise, that report gets translated into fifty languages immediately all over the world as validating the cancer that is eating society right now as if it were a hero pumping out ‘freedoms’. ALL of the publicly pro-Christ anti-Calvinists or sort-of-Calvinists have had a hand in bringing about the destruction of public morals and economic ruin and have done so with the money and support given by Christians who have been deceived.
Under no circumstances are Arminians brethren, their schools actual houses of God or seminaries or their services anything other than Satanic. And yet to this hour, some Calvinist would rather be popular with a liar than be the friend of Jesus Christ.
But God is not mocked: there is no emotional paradigm that trumps God, despite the gullibility and moanings of women.
Ephesians 4:25 -27 Wherefore, having put off falsehood, speak truth every one with his neighbour, because we are members one of another. Be angry, and do not sin; let not the sun set upon your wrath, neither give room for the devil.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy tribulation and thy poverty; but thou art rich; and the railing of those who say that they themselves are Jews, and are not, but a synagogue of Satan.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
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Calvin, when debating with the church wrote of a Bishop saying, he knew Catholism was the right faith because he knew it in his heart, it lifted him up.
Calvin responds that your own good feeling is poor reason to base theology on. He points out that this is an easy deception for evil. Luther agreed, doing much study, of not only the Bible but Church fathers and philosophers.
Indeed, Satan is a master manipulator of men’s hearts. Since men know nothing of what it actually is to be a new creature in Jesus Christ, they are easily misled into false experiences and high emotions as substitutes and actually think their guess is as good as God as Word.
Arminianism, Roman Catholicism and the Eastern Orthodox, Mormonism and all free will based religion is simply a codified guess with each member granting the other permission to fake it and have their own franchise. It’s all based on human emotion in the heart of the flesh.
2 Corinthinas 6:14-18 Be not diversely yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there between righteousness and lawlessness? or what fellowship of light with darkness? and what consent of Christ with Beliar, or what part for a believer along with an unbeliever? and what agreement of God’s temple with idols? for *ye* are the living God’s temple; according as God has said, I will dwell among them, and walk among them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be to me a people. Wherefore come out from the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and touch not what is unclean, and *I* will receive you; and I will be to you for a Father, and ye shall be to me for sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Which religion isn’t based on emotion, even self deception? Each one has members who claim truth based on what they believe by the evidence of their own “good feeling” and wearing blinders to inconsistencies and acknowledging only the positive.
Going by Luther and Calvin nobody can know if they are chosen, the elect, as free will can only sin. This is a troublsome doctrine, making us robots.
It is a common deception that everyone’s guess is as good as the next person’s when it comes to religion.
That fact is that the Spirit of God indeed dwells in actual Christians, and that is the only reason we know we are indeed new creatures in Jesus Christ. You are a witness yourself that all religions, to include false Christianity you are used to hearing as representing Christ, is really the same religion, no matter its name. Thus your common sense: “Which religion isn’t based on emotion, even self deception? Each one has members who claim truth based on what they believe by the evidence of their own “good feeling” and wearing blinders to inconsistencies and acknowledging only the positive”.
The truth that Luther and Calvin knew was that without the witness of God within, there is no real certainty of anything and Calvin himself, by your witness made plain that self-witness is not enough and is a feeble lie. Yet in the next breath, you will defend the supposed good side of self-witness by saying it is a product of supposedly being a ‘free willed creature’. Plainly, it is that spirit in your flesh that is acknowledging/propagandizing what is in reality a false positive side of the lie of free will as relieving you of the drudggery of being ‘a robot’.
Not having free will requires growth by other means than self-will. Everyone grows one way or the other. No one can actually be a robot. That is simple reality. Yet the power of the free will lie to keep you falsely guilty is to imply that there is a model of behavior, even if it is one you supposedly make up on your own, from within the definitions about reality of your era in history, that if you adhere to, you will be righteous. But you can’t adhere to it perfectly. You can’t do it. So you are always guilty. The power of false religion is that is it combines that same failure to be righteous with forgiveness schemes and all based on the supposition that if you ‘really, really wanted to and tried hard enough’, you could indeed be a robot that did the ideal model of behavior perfectly. Your failure to be a righteous robot, yet the very free will you claim supposedly empowers you to be, is the source of false religions power, no matter the particular brand name of that religion.
That’s not Christianity/Calvinism: In Christ, God non-metaphorically lives in you, paid the price of your sins by His blood and all that is based on the reality you can never be a robot, nor are you expected to be a robot, but that God is with you in all things, creating new things through you and growing you The accusation against Calvinism is false by those who want free will and pretend to already have it. They falsely assume we are claiming to have made it to the robot-hood of being righteous at all times based on self-will. Yet it is God in us who justifies us and forgives us our sins based on the sacrifice of Christ on our behalf and because we are new creatures in Jesus Christ and sin has no part in us anymore.
None of what you have heard of Christ from those espousing free will of creatures is true. Not even one word. They have it all worked out why God is supposedly either an ogre, or unknowable, or extreme complex ceremonial steps must be taken that necessitates them as priests to get to God or some such to cover up their own ignorance and evil. They are all liars. But at least you see they are all essentially saying the same thing and all essentially hypocritical.
You cannot depend on merely exposing hypocrites to understand the truth they obviously do not have.
You would not even see that if God didn’t want you to.
John 14:6 Jesus says to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father unless by me.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
But how do born agains explain their clarity? And isn’t this doctrine based on a few sentences written by Paul? Calvin and Luther fought a church doctrine that sold forgiveness (indulgences). Selling or earning forgiveness had become a polluted cesspool by the time of the reformation. By denying a self will, which can choose, these reformers were fighting church greed and corruption. (indulgences would no longer save a soul, because buying forgiveness is of the sinfull nature).
Understanding why a doctrine was adopted (in response to a counter doctrine) can help us understand. So did these men swing the pendulum past the center to fight a long held belief? Was there narrow interpretation what was needed at the time? And is it eternally true or true for that time?
Paul fought against the hypocrisy of good works/The law. It is commonly believed that good works are charitable works. Jewish lit. defines good works in accordance with the law as following the rituals and customs set forth in the Old Test., not as charitable works. My research leads me to believe that this lawful good works is what Paul attacks, the 613 laws of old test.–James condones charitable good works and Paul attacks the law while in other areas he supports charitable works too. It is the LAW that is attacked, those who do ritual behaviors are not gaining Gods good graces, because they are thoughtless and not self sacrificing.
So, good works, charitable, are of self will and elevate our own spirit by humility and selfless acts, James letter says so! I know you have your belief, defined by Calvin, not the Bible (in asmuchas the Bible is interpreted in many ways and no one can claim authority). This position did not come to me without years of research and heartfelt soul searching. I wonder if our reactions to corruption swing our doctrine too far? Bdrex
James and Paul are in perfect accord only because the same Word of God is in each. James spoke of the evidence of faith as a gift of God being works, not works causing faith or earning salvation. It is not at all a case where Paul is fighting one social evil and James is fighting another, or that Calvin was fighting a social evil and came up with a doctrine to benefit people politically. The lie that that is what Calvin wanted ( a politically powerful doctrine that corrected a set of social evils ) is based on a denial of the character of the Word of God and God through Calvin took great pains to distinguish the Word of God from all others.
Your continued support for the notion that no one can know the truth is based on an ignorance of the character and qualities of the Word of God. In essence, you are saying God as Word is the Same as satanic speech as a language and only that God uses that one meta speech in a special way. But that is not so. God IS His Word and Satan has a completely different speech whose qualities you are well used to as human speech. The Fall of Man was in part men gaining satan’s language and losing God as Word and thus dying spiritually.
Our certainty comes from God Himself living in us and Himself as Witness through us. You must insist that we are simply lying ( so don’t dress that accusation up if that is what you believe. Just say it. ) in order to keep saying “each guess is as good as another”.
It has long been a lie held by the Catholics and atheists, Eastern Orthodox and many others, that the Reformation was primarily a political event as a reaction against the excesses of free will theology. I.E. That Scripture was manipulated for political benefit. Then they are embarrassed by the social implications of what they just said, ( namely that the lie of free will, and their doctrines in particular leads to social evils every time..) and use that argument only as an emergency argument when they have trampled on people everywhere with the lie of free will and are being exposed as false prophets.
God says you will know false prophets by their fruits. At a minimum, evils against human beings are actual evils and sins. Abortion and sodomy and divorce and all immorality are actual evils. They are not simply ‘socio-political constructs’ that are ‘made to look evil’ by other doctrines, even though those that support evil and hate God say that is exactly what they are.
What God has plainly Said is Himself as Word. God and Satan do not share the same speech or the same characteristics of speech. God’s Word creates what he says. Satan’s speech can create nothing, yet promise fulfillment of desire it instills. That is why Satan lies; he cannot deliver on any of his promises and his speech always ends in death.
Death is not a ‘socio-political’ construct that can be viewed as a non-evil per some religious tweaking. Child abuse by priests, sex and rapes by homosexuals, abortion AIDs are not made-up evils, they are actual evils because God defines evil as such.
Once you have sought a refuge for lies and said “no one can say what is really true’ , then you have to say there is no good or evil, only what you want in any given instant, and you cannot even satisfy that as doing the good. Not only so, but you have done away with your own justice in that someone with a different take on reality can do all those things to you and you have to say “it’s not evil if they don’t think its evil”.
No one gets to ‘interpret the Bible’, no matter that Satan has very many these days saying the opposite for money and for ‘free’ as political sorcery. If God and Satan had the same speech and that speech was in fact, as a whole, non-creating and will-neutral as a means of communication, THEN you could say “everyone has to interpret what God said”. But God IS His Word, as as Word creates in those whom He chooses what he wants: some get hardness of heart, others get eternal life; each result results in two different creatures.
You have been lied to if someone told you “Paul” said one thing and “Peter” and James” and “John” said other things. God as Word spoke through them all and all are perfectly in accord only for that reason. God as eternal spoke through many different brethren of many different ages, most of whom did not know each other, all of whom in lived in varying political conditions and ideologies, although the constant was as it is today was a set of people spreading a lie of free will and enhancing the reputation of idealized free will as best they could and God opposing them in the righteous. Rather than see that one of the evidences of God as Word actually speaking through the righteous over generations is the uniformity and infallibility of Scripture to know it was inspired by God, you have said the fact many people “wrote stuff” proves no one can know anything, as if Scripture disagreed with itself.
The only way you could say Scripture disagreed with itself is to be deceived God and Satan have the same speech, AND the same speech you have got AND that it could create nothing. I.E. You would have to disbelieve the witness of Scripture about everything, to look like you were trying to honor God in another way.
Calvin redefined nothing. He was used of God to bring the people back to the simplicity of His Word and the power of His Word, while Satan to this hour lies ..about everything.
Good works save none. People can be sincere and sincerely love themselves more than they love God. The reality is that being saved in Christ is not a matter of humility or works or charity: it is being born again in Jesus Christ by the power of the Word that is not Satanic or human speech and thus having the love of God. Once you have entered on a path of love that is defined by ‘socio-political constructs’, you can easily say it is ‘love’ to kill whoever you want and no matter what you do, you will think other people owe you for anything you do for them, even if what you do ‘for them’ is some evil dressed as a good per the ideology of the era. The reality is they have no ability to pay you anything and cannot even help themselves. But once you go the route of ‘free will’, you falsely accuse them of being able to help “but just don’t want to” and thus fail being the ‘righteous robot’ you hope to be in the future.
All you will do in the end is hate people and be bitter.
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This is not “James”: this is God through James, speaking of true Christians and the definition of true charity being ONLY from God:
James 1:16-18 Do not err, my beloved brethren. EVERY good gift and EVERY perfect gift comes down from above, from the Father of lights, with whom is no variation nor shadow of turning. According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of *his* creatures.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
There were many, like Bruno, who were tortured and killed by the Catholic Church, some sought refuge in Calvin dominated areas, they found persecution with the protestants too. Calvin’s fruits also included torure and murder. So I agree, we are measured by our fruits.
Early Church fathers, like Martry, believed in free will and used the same book you do to defend the position. So, nothing is self evident, merely indoctrined into us.
James 1:16-18 Do not err, my beloved brethren. EVERY good gift and EVERY perfect gift comes down from above, from the Father of lights, with whom is no variation nor shadow of turning. According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of *his* creatures.
You emphasize these english words as if the Greek says exactly the same. Either way this is a gnostic position, the earth (matter) was an evil place and only spirit, defined as light or energy was truely good. Many times Church fathers desired to remove James from the Canon, Luther recognized the Jewish mystical references and hated the letters. It remained for two reasons, because it was so widely used and accepted, also, leaders feared the people would loose confidence in the canon if they changed it so much.
Reading into this that we don’t have free will is a stretch, because it doesn’t say that, besides good was defined as light and bad darkness but this doesn’t mean we still don’t choose which way to go or what to do.
Not really sure why you would mention Bruno. He was not a protestant and never asked for protection. He was by all accounts, a hermetic.
Calvin’s killing of Servetus was just. Servetus was a liar corrupting all he could. Calvin was himself at war with lies.
As for reading free will, or not, into ‘certain passages’, the character of the entire Word of God does away with free will, in addition to the reality that we are born again not of the will of man or of the will of the flesh. In order to say “it can be read either way”, which you have said of the entire Bible, you firsst have to have a view of language itself that denies the distinction between the Word of God, by which God created the world and the speech of men and Lucifer. You have implied that there is only one meta speech and God and Satan both have it and only use it in different ways. That is the unforgivable sin of which evry man is guilty and one of the reasons for the necessity of the new birth; to be a different creature no longer under penalty of the unforgivable sin.
But of course, the only way we are born again, is by hearing the Word of God. God as being His Own Word creates what He says. The mere existence of creating Speech does away with free will by itself.
You have to have a speech that can create nothing and never interfere with you in any way to keep saying you have free will. You have to idealize all of reality to be will neutral. When you do that with the Word of God, that is the unforgivable sin, in addition to being a lie.
The reality is that sinners want to hear something new all the time and forget what they have already heard. But they can’t forget. Memory is spiritual, despite whatever Bruno said about it. You don’t have the free will to forget or remember what you want. Even Satan’s speech and human speech is not the will-neutral item you idealize it to be, even to lie and say the Bible is its equivalent. It is a living creature with no free will either.
Psalm 12:2-4 They speak falsehood every one with his neighbour: with flattering lip, with a double heart, do they speak. Jehovah will cut off all flattering lips, the tongue that speaketh proud things, Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail, our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
Haven’t you heard? Or are you too well versed in the mere scripted Arminian-Calvinism script of the arminians and see that as the whole world?
Jeremiah 51:1 Thus saith Jehovah: Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the heart of those that rise against me, a destroying wind;
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Luther wrote that no other language contained so much allegory, as the Hebrew. He said puttting the poetic Hebrew into barbaric German tongues was maddening, English is a branch of this. Luther said he sometimes took a fortnight to translate a single Hebrew word, studying and praying. Many Hebrew words have more than one meaning and there were word plays that cannot be literally translated.
But Luther and Calvin later were determined to makes the Bible simple and uncorruptable by allegoric explanations, it was not merely a God inspired translating, Luther says as much about the Allegories. Said he translated them as such only when they were obvious and undeniable.
Arrogance is the greatest sin, because when our cup is full nothing new can be learned. And if you trust the holy spirit why were there a thousand years of Catholic rule with a corrupted doctrine? And If they were, why would they scribe the Bible without correction (That they admit happened)? Erasmus found editing and interpolations in the Vulgate and he was frustrated with the age of the Greek copies, saying older ones should be more accurate.
The early Fathers said the Greek grammar in the earliest Mark was so poor that they had to correct it. Then they admit using Matthew and Mark to make corrections, even adding a few verses. My Pastor, during a Bible study, used the synoptic similarities as proof of divine creation. I had read the Ante- Niceaene fathers and knew of the corrections. I asked him and he knew some correcting had happened but chose not to tell us. (taking me aside to tell me this) Justa Causa, lies need not be a sin if you use them for good.
He then asked me to not ask deep questions at Bible study because it might discourage the ones on the fence. Ommissions are lies, in our courts and at home and deception is never okay except in religion where they are prevelant, but of course justified by their own desires to be right.
I wasn’t naming a doctrine, merely seeking truth. I know seeking truth is noble, it even says so in the Bible, but seeking can’t happen if we know everything.
What you are using is a classic argument of the arminians that goes: “everyone has at least a little free will. That very free will is prone to errors. That means those who translated the Bible were prone to error. So that means we cannot know for sure what the ‘true’ Bible says.”
It is a classic manipulation of the lie of free will mixed with determinism. First they say you’ve got free will and using it is the sole means of being saved by ‘choosing Jesus’. Then they undermine the very false faith they just instilled by saying the Book they supposedly get their authority from is probably flawed. It is a tactic meant to deceive and instill a hatred of Christ if possible.
You should know: it is in fact not noble to seek the truth. It is only noble before God to receive what He has given you as Himself as truth. You constantly imply he has given you nothing and therefore gave others nothing and that you must go and find something that, no matter what is front of you, isn’t it.
God was in Luther as in all the true servants of God. That doesn’t mean Luther had an easy time of it. God preserved His Word for us. If you don’t like God as Word, say so. But don’t pretend to be on a pious path when what you are actually doing is rejecting the Word of God as distinct from Satanic speech and obscuring that rejection by what very many over the centuries have called “textual analysis” as if you had the free will to do o because the ‘text’ is ideally powerless so you can keep saying you’ve got at least partial free will.
There is no such thing as ‘trying to be serious’. There is new birth as receiving God or nothing.
Christ directly said that if you could not believe what Moses wrote, then you could not believe what Christ Said as the Incarnated Word of God.
John 5:44-47 How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and seek not the glory which comes from God alone? Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one who accuses you, Moses, on whom ye trust; for if ye had believed Moses, ye would have believed me, for he wrote of me. But if ye do not believe his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The pre-Incarnate Word of God was and is every bit as important as the Incarnated. It is no excuse to say ‘I’d like to believe ..BUT I’m not sure we have what Moses wrote.” That’s just plain disbelief, not complicated disbelief, despite the common failings of pastors.
You are not dependent on any other than the Word of God for new birth. Your old pastor or a current pastor cannot get in the way. Nothing has the ability to get in the way. They don’t have free will. But when you are deceived you have even partial free will, it seems suddenly a thousand different conditions must be simultaneously satisfied ‘so that’ you can ‘be sure’.
God is your certainty as witness. That’s WHY when you seek you find. Or He is not and you do not.
That spirit in your flesh is not you, not God and is not your friend. The arguments he is using may be new to you, but they are simply classic arguments of unbelievers. He is an immortal spirit and has a long record of such arguments. But if God intends to save you, that spirit in your flesh has no say in it.
Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
That includes ‘textual analysis’.
Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who against us?
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
I’ll have to look up these arminians, I would call myself a follower of Justin Martyr or a pelagian, but am not familiar with arminians. I don’t think Paul was a follower of Jesus and decieved them.
Why would we have a Bible (Gods Word) but written mostly by not Jesus or his followers, but Paul who persecuted them. And what was this persecution? It is not in the Bible, but extra-biblical sources name Paul the attacker of James. Paul a Roman citizen and Pharisee wrote or has attributed to him 50% of the New Test. Timothy, Barnabas and Luke were associates of his, are we supposed to be followers of Christ or Paul?
Logic or analysis includes, if this is true, then this must also be true, if not the premise is wrong. I see no analysis or logic.
However, I believe the Bible is inspired as are many writings, I even agree with Paul (who dismisses the cultural practices as religious doctrine LAW). Ironically, my faith in God is stronger than ever. I don’t need to be preprogrammed or a book to tell me what is right or wrong, “God implanted in all of us those noble notions that make us Christian from the beginning of time.” Eusebius.
I would love to debate scripture or early writings but lecture get boring. I have found nothing in your commentaries to inspire any new thoughts or cause me the least amount of concern. Why don’t we focus on a point and explore it?
Bdrex
Sure, perhaps you can explain the characteristics of the Word of God, as God Himself, Christ Jesus and the difference between the Word of God and human speech and/or Satanic speech?
Do you know there is a difference?
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John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
The word–is in Greek logos and defined by Justin Martyr several different ways, but not simply as word.
Yes, the original religion was from Egypt and was a sun worship, that is why light and darkness are so prevalent.
Enjoy your life, I do mine. bdrex
Arminians are pelagians, though they think they are something different and will argue you into the ground on that if they can. All of you worship the lie of human free will. They simply make, and Pelagius made it ( the supposed human free will ) the sole path to salvation. Anyone who says there is such a thing as the ‘gospel offer’ or that one must choose Jesus or in any way use the human will to initiate or to add to what God does for us are Arminians and Pelagians.
The speech which was used may or may not be from Eygpt as far as its entymolgy. But even the Egyptians turned what insight they had been given by God through Joseph into lies that were indeed, sun worship. Their speech was thus effected. Wherever the origin of the human speech, it is God as Word that speaks through it in the Bible, whatever tongue may be used by Him. He made those tongues at Babel in order to use them later. So even the Egyptians had to get something from God originally in order to lie with it.
So the ‘original religion’ did not come from Eygpt, it came from the Word of God creating all things. You should know, whatever faith you have, it is not in Christ, it is in your own idealization of a free will. Thus history becomes to you a mere box in which you can play and never see the truth.
I am here to do God’s will, not mine; to die to my own desires and yet without earning the salvation I already have as new being and life in Christ. We have two different speaks, two different purposes of speech and therefore very different purposes of life.
Matthew 16:24-26 Then Jesus said to his disciples, If any one desires to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whosoever shall desire to save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what does a man profit, if he should gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
You assume you follow God but how do you know? Maybe you are decieving yourself by denying that you are choosing. You could be the worst abuser of free will because you refuse to consider you are wrong.
You have no way to know where your ideas come from. Quote scripture and profess this and that, but you can be measured by your fruits, to all people. Love your neighbor and turn the other cheek, are not judging tennents, but loving everyone. And maybe you need to pull the forest from your eye, rather than point out thorns.
The only certainty is Jesus Christ. He is the truth. The truth is a who, not a what. Once you have denied God is His Own Word, you have denied Christ and have no truth. Your common sense at that point would be to doubt everything and mock certainty; it would be the best way to run from your conscience.
There is no free will. So it can’t abused.
When you have been deceived by a very complicated lie of free will, you necessarily see people who are not so deceived as ‘having all the answers’ simply because they don’t get mixed up in your common conversation.
Matthew 16:15-17 He says to them, But *ye*, who do ye say that I am? And Simon Peter answering said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona, for flesh and blood has not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens.
Psalm 94:11 Jehovah knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
So, if I profess Christ as savior even though I don’t accept the Calvinist teaching of election, I am not a Christian?
That’s correct. Election, while taught by Calvin was not invented by Calvin. You cannot deny truth and not deny Jesus Christ as truth.
Whoever told you otherwise lied to you. I understand completely that if you think “God communicates to men in a will-neutral speech”, THEN free will makes perfect sense to you as a fallen human being who laughs at the thought of actual and non-metaphorical new birth in Jesus Christ.
Heaven and the lake of fire will not be filled with identical creatures in 2 different places, much less identical creatures in 2 different places who chose their own abode. New creatures in Jesus Christ are and will be in heaven. All the rest will be in the lake of fire.
If you don’t believe the truth that is unconditional election when you hear it, then you are not a new creature in Jesus Christ. That means you only speak a speech that can create nothing, which means you have never heard God and don’t even know the difference between God as Word and Lucifer’s speech. In fact, you probably think there is no difference ..which is the unforgivable sin. Election is known in Christ as Word of God, not in the same speech Lucifer and fallen man have.
I Corinthians 2:12-16 But *we* have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to us of God: which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means . But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned; but the spiritual discerns all things, and *he* is discerned of no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, who shall instruct him? But *we* have the mind of Christ.
A few more of those kinds of questions and you’ll be a homosexual activist before you know it.
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I Corinthians 2:11 For who of men hath known the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? thus also the things of God knows no one except the Spirit of God.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Anyone ever tell you that you come off as arrogant? You said to “bdrex” that there is no free will. Is that right – we do not have free will? So, God not only determines who will be saved through election but he also detemines what will come about in one’s life? As such, do I follow the logic from your last statement correctly where God will make me a homosexual activist? So, God would make me an advocate for something that He has condemmed? This makes no sense. Your theology – of whatever you call it – doesn’t make sense and doesn’t add up.
Christ was so arrogant to the Pharisees common sense they killed him. What else is new? God is always in trouble of some sort according to Satan.
Homosexual activists seek emotional means to portray their lies as emotional common sense that someone else ‘hates’ –exactly as arminians seek to make it logically and emotionally mandated that men have free will. God makes the wicked to be wicked. You are the wicked. You constantly lie against the Holy Spirit and Christ. You attack God’s messengers and servants as a kind of sport wherein you see if you can out-do the last attack you read about. Of course God sends the wicked delusion. Arminians always read fast even when they don’t read past:
II Thess 2: 10,11 and in all deceit of unrighteousness to them that perish, because they have not received the love of the truth that they might be saved. And for this reason God sends to them a working of error, that they should believe what is false..
By now, you have had more than a few debates over free will with someone. You’ve gone up and down the arguments. And you think God as Word is the Same speech as anti-Christ. That’s the only way you could possibly think you have free will. And I’m supposed to coddle that? Out of some strange politeness I’m supposed to say its okay. So we’ll be friends?
We’re not friends. We are not brothers in Christ getting tangled up over regional or so-called ethnic differences over how emotion ought ideally to be done. You’ve read the Bible. You’ve heard the truth. And you laughed at Christ and went to make up another Christ you gave permission to be true.
That spirit in your flesh is a liar.
Here’s a joke for you to round out a whole ‘arrogant’ comment:
Name two things arminian Christians do not recognize:
1. that they’re not Christians
2. each other in the liquor or the porno shop or the abortion clinic
Acts 13: 9-11 But Saul, who also is Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixing his eyes upon him,
said, O full of all deceit and all craft: son of the devil, enemy of all righteousness; wilt thou not cease perverting the right paths of the Lord?
And now behold, the Lord’s hand is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell upon him a mist and darkness; and going about he sought persons who should lead him by the hand.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Was it Christ’s arrogance or His claim that He was God that got Him killed? But I digress.
Thanks for the proclamation that you’re God’s messenger. I can’t help but wonder if you’re the only one of God that you know? I rather doubt you’ll answer this question – but do you attend church – and what kind of church do you attend? You think I have understood (or changed) the word of God into something of Satan? Are you what would be considered a hyper-Calvinist? And yes, I’ve had various discussions with others regarding free will, Calvinism/Arminian thought, predetermination. So what? I suspect that you have, too.
It’s interesting to note your apparent predilection to homosexuality. Perhaps there’s something repressed in your own life? But again, I digress.
So, I’m ‘wicked’ – even if I have been washed clean by the blood of Christ. All of my past, present, and future sins have been forgiven and that I am confident of my salvation of Christ. So, by my (and I presume yours, too) admonition of faith, are we not ‘brothers’ in faith perhaps akin to the Jews and the Gentiles – even if we may not be friends?
Nevertheless, If there’s no free will, then why are the scriptures replete with the differences between right and wrong, godly versus ungodly, to say nothing of Proverbs or even Paul’s instruction to the Philippians to work out their salvation. I would trust that we would both agree that we can’t work or otherwise earn our salvation. However, it seems apparent that as one moment follows another, we’re constantly in the decision making business – whether for something as simple as choosing to cook dinner or eating uncooked food. Or, in your view, does God predetermine who will and who will not cook their dinner? Has God already determined how you will reply to my comments here? Or will you have think about a response, pick and choose your words, and otherwise determine how best to counter my arguments?
So the spirit in my flesh is a liar and I have changed the word of God into something of Satan? You base this on a disagreement we have on election? Is it not possible that I may simply be ignorant? I presume your answer to be no, I’m not ignorant – I’m dead wrong, wicked, and constantly lying against the Holy Spirit and that I’m one of those Arminians (at least, you think I’m Arminian) that God intentionally deludes according to 2 Thes 2:10-11. On that verse, and even Acts 13: 9-11, I’d be pleased to comment on your interpretation at a later time. That said, these are interesting verses and on their face would certainly appear to buttresses your perspective. But, as you might imagine, my reading is a bit different.
But, that brings up a point for which I’d appreciate a comment – in your deterministic view, how can you ever be confident that your insight and perspective is of God? In other words, how can you know that God has indeed saved you? You claim that you’re right, and that I’m wrong – fine and well. However, you can’t help but believe what has been determined what it is that you will believe. Therefore, how do you know that you haven’t been predetermined to believe something that is false? How do you know that you aren’t a part of God’s wicked delusion?
You’ve tossed out a lot of scriptures in your many posts and comments. Yes, I’ve poked around your blog. However, if holes can be punched in any aspect of your theological perspective, then does it not stand to reason that none of your views can be considered valid? To that end, are not tenets of the Christian faith consistent and true throughout all of scripture? So, if there are apparent discrepancies, disagreements, or misunderstandings even by well intentioned and well meaning believers (such as Luther & Erasmus, Augustine & Pelagius, John Wesley & Jonathan Edwards and even in more modern times, John Piper & Greg Boyd all come to mind), should not a measure of grace accompany our speech?
And what, please, is your name? Lastly, I’d be curious to know who you consider to be influential writers and teachers?
You are very far from Christ. You have been taught a vocabulary that includes some Christian doctrine, but the mere invocation of that vocabulary in a speech that can create nothing, ( that is not Christ Himself) only makes plain your lack of actually being washed in the blood of Jesus Christ as a new creature in Jesus Christ. If you think saying “washed in the blood” is an automatic sign of being a Christian, you should know that even the wicked have been sanctified by the blood of God, yet are not saved/born again by His Word:
Hebrews 10:28-30 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith he was sanctified
, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Confounding sanctification with salvation and new birth are just one of many arminian heresies.
As for knowing of my own salvation and sound doctrine, God actually and non-metaphorically lives in me and is the witness He causes me to rely on.
I Corinthians 3: 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
It is a standard part of the arminian heresy to disclaim the witness of God in Scripture, preferring instead to make up their own witness to what Lucifer calls “God’s meanings”. Likewise, they –and you– deny the existence of the indwelling Spirit of God. You could not have even asked how I can know anything unless you were depending on the lack of the witness of God and/or the reliance on the grace of God in your self and others and as such to see it as common sense that everyone ought ideally to be their own witness, a thing condemned in Scripture:
Isaish 44: 9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
Even the Incarnate Word of God Said of Himself, even though He was and is fully God as part of the Trinity:
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
What that lying spirit in your flesh is saying is that if I am not my own witness ( if I haven’t used my free will in some way..) then I am somehow illegitimate in your theology AND that if I am my own witness by definition, that means such a witness is unreliable. You lie against God and yourself no matter how you look at it.
All that spirit in your flesh ever does is seek to instill a false religious guilt for not having done some particular thing ‘in free will’ and then to catch you at doing that very thing to instill more guilt for having done it. You have been institutionalized in that vanity because the speech you have can create nothing.
My name is timothy.
I read the Bible, occasionally the Institutes and Josephus and the like for historical perspective after new testament times. The books I recommend are posted on the blog in their own space. What I have I received from God, not any man. While I was raised Southern Presbyterian and then PCA, only later did I find some of what God has given me in Calvin. It is not as if I just read Calvin and went out to defend my home tradition. A lot of it has been trashed by the creep of armianism.
When one is deceived on the level which you evidence, you have studied the Scriptures, or at least doctrine for some time. It is not as if you have arrived in civilization never having heard of Christ. That spirit in your flesh is a liar. You are not living in will-neutral environment, even though they told you were so that its theoretical presence would make the lie of free will seem plausible. You do not even have the power to be ignorant in the way free willers idealize those who don’t repeat what they say as if it were truth. You don’t get to make intellectual choices at all. So it isn’t as if you made a wrong one and it is God’s job to reverse engineer all of Satan’s lies to set you free from intellectual miscalculations. You are either born again in Jesus Christ as a new creature with the mind of Christ by having heard the Word of God , or not.
Charity in speech is giving you Christ as Word of God that creates what He Says. It is a reception of grace. Emotional smoothness for the fallen heart is strictly of Lucifer. I am not here to be liked or hated or any other thing of the human heart. I’m not looking for ‘converts’ to an intellectual system.
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
Micah 2: 11 If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Well, I was actually surprised to see a response, Timothy. I guess I was pre-determined to say that you’re wrong. But I guess you knew that. I must have missed (or can’t find) the books you reference on your blog. I did find your doctrines of grace booklet which appears to have been entirely taken from monergism.com (or maybe it’s .org – I forget). I would appreciate seeing a list of books you consider influential. Finally, I have done some google.com searches of various phrases you use i.e. non-creating speech, emotional smoothness, will-neutral environment et al and find nothing except for what is on your site or on the videos you have posted. As such, what is the origin of this topic? Where within Christian literature could I find this information. Or, is this something that you have in essence created yourself? \\ Bill
The books listed on the blog are a good start. I actually had in mind the new blog (http://ccrarchives.blogspot.com/) at blogger ( the list is at the top right hand corner of the blog ..same books. I’m moving over to Blogger..) Theupneustia in particular is well worth a read ( the links provided are links to on-line versions you can read for free. I don’t recommend books to buy.. ). Theophnustia is a very good listing and disputation of the means used by Satan to twist the Inspiration and Inerrancy of Scripture today even though it was written in the 1800s. The Two Babylons proves the Roman Catholic/Byzantine/Eastern Orthodox are essentially just a mixed bag of pagan beliefs with the Name of Jesus Christ painted over them. I would not recommend any modern books by anyone. Modern reformed writing is just vapid wastes of books. A whole generation has passed with millions of books that helped the Church not stand against one evil thing. In this one generation of those writers and pastors ‘in the lead’ we are being inundated with homosexuality, whoredoms, abortion, and false religion against which they have done nothing but speak against those God sent to tell them the truth. All they ever did was get paid.
As for the term non-creating speech, that is indeed my own in that God gave it to me to give to the brethren and does so through me. The doctrine of the Logos ( the Word of God ) is in fact the bedrock doctrine of the Church and has been attacked by overt and subtle means. The term non-creating speech is to highlight the non-creating character of human speech and Lucifer’ speech and to show the distinction between non-creating speech and the Logos as a characteristic of God as Word/Creating Speech.
The whole arminian lie is based off an assumption there is no difference between the Word of God and Lucifer’s speech –as if God and Lucifer shared a common speech and shared it with men. To say that they do is the unforgivable sin. God uses that term through me, non-creating speech/anti-Christ to stop His people from trespassing in an area they are being egged on to do as their default piety: “interpreting the Scriptures”.
Mark 3: 22-30 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
They didn’t say “he is using speech inappropriately”. They said “he has Beelzebub”. And Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Word of God –they equated Him with non-creating speech/speech of demons/anti-Christ/anti-Word of God. Lucifer has the visible church doing that as doctrine and if they do not says they are not ‘motivated Christians’.
This is just fundamental Christian doctrine, that while God puts in terminology that highlights certain truths, is nothing new. But in doing so, by the way, it does re-prove the Five points of Calvinism a new way: by the creating aspect of God as Word. Only if you must actually and non-metaphorically be born again –by hearing the Word of God– as Scripture Says, is TULIP truth. Without that new birth and having Christ in you as Word, you are totally depraved because you specifically have what is not-God as speech in you as your mind. It has nothing to do with works. Total depravity is dis-union with God as a being and thus makes you a sinner because you are then one with the living spirit that is sin. Unconditional Election is simply God choosing whom He will Speak to and makes perfect sense that a creature who has a entirely different speech can’t know God as Word or perceive a need to know God as Word. God must do all the work or it won’t happen. Limited Atonement is God saving whom He will from what they did not even know they needed to be saved from at all and doing so by how He uses His Own Word and blood. Irresistible grace is simply the effect of Creating Speech. God said “let there be light ..and there was light”. He called it into existence as creating it with Himself as Word the same as He called me into existence with Himself as Word as a new creature in Jesus Christ. Perseverance of the Saints is simply “you can’t un-born again” and the truth that God non-metaphorically dwells in you. All that is plainly seen in the distinction between God as Word/Logos/Creating Speech and non-creating speech/anti-Christ/Lucifer’s speech.
The fact that most pastors will not know anything about the characteristic of God as Word, creating what and who He speaks, speaks volumes about those pastors and what else they are teaching. All false doctrine IS non-creating speech. There is a lot of talk about Logos, but then they immediately forget Who and What the Logos is.
Mark 5:8,9 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
You hear God or you don’t.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Interesting discussion, gentlemen. But I’m rather surprised, Timothy, to see you state that you “would not recommend any modern books by anyone” as “[m]odern reformed writing is just vapid wastes of books.” In what way? Current reformed writers I’m at least somewhat familiar with and whom I would presume you to believe are “in the lead” – including Mark Driscoll, John MacArthur, John Piper, R.C. Sproul, James White, Sam Storms, C.J. Mahaney – none of them adequately convey Calvinist i.e. TULIP thought and doctrine? Who has been sent by God to tell [these, and perhaps other 5-point Calvinists] the truth? And what “truth” is not being proclaimed?
Another wicked soul pops in for a chat.
The writers you speak of are pop writers who rarely speak a hard truth. Instead they give different ‘views’ and try to lead the reader to what they call the ‘reformed view’. ..as if the reader had free will.
As for what is not being taught via published books these days: the distinction between God as Word and all other speech, with a particular emphasis on Lucifer’s speech. Once you know the difference, arminianism is dead and openly exposed as a heresy of Lucifer. Pretending that if God Said something and then Lucifer Said that exact word order, then they “believe the same thing” or “said the same thing” is the unforgivable sin because it makes anti-Christ ( the anti-Word of God ) the equal of Christ and pretends there is only one big meta speech in total reality that “God and Lucifer have to use.”. The unforgivable sin is your default piety in particular Bob. You, like so many, are deceived that if you don’t make up a new ‘meaning’ from the text other than what it says as Word of God as Creating Speech/Jesus Christ, then you’re only a baby Christian. You sin happily and forcefully and call it being pious. That the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience now works in you is plain. You heard the same Word of God I did and the effect it had on you was to harden your heart and make you a vessel of wrath. You enjoy lying against God and calling it supporting God so people will ‘choose Him’. So do the authors you have mentioned. You are all very polite as you supposedly ‘choose’ your various positions.
R.C. Sproul in particular is well on his way back to Rome.
Any books these days coming out of the so-called Christian publishing industry are simply set ups for a debate tour with no gospel inside while the arminian and the ‘calvinist’ call each other ‘my esteemed brother’ and have ‘spirited disagreement’ for public viewing.
If you reply, fine. But after that, don’t comment any more on this blog, Bob. There are literally thousands of blogs on which Lucifer is welcome. This isn’t one of them. You can wonder privately and somehow make it an extremely complex problem of higher criticism hermeneutics how I understood and received “he that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered” as the following spirit and life from God:
Proverbs 28: 26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Dear Tim,
I regret your request for me to no longer comment on your blog. I’ve done my best to be open, candid, honest and respectful when posing questions, responding or otherwise commenting on CCR. I’ve tried to do likewise when you have commented on my blog. But I will honor your request.
For my last comments on your blog, I thought of providing a list of what I believe to be justifiable arguments against Calvinism and attempt to show where (I believe) verses you reference do not support the contentions you make. But what’s the point? I’ve concluded that you’re going to believe what you will irrespective of illogical thought and misapplied scriptures. If nothing else, I’ve come to understand that that if something isn’t hyper-Calvinistic in nature, you’ll naturally be against it irrespective of the many scriptural references appearing to support Arminian thought. If ever someone desires to see a Hyper-Calvinist in action – you are the real deal, Tim.
Your responses in this post to BDREX and Bill were fascinating. I’m admittedly slow, but I finally realized you aren’t able to tolerate challenges to your theology. If someone doesn’t agree with you, out pours some verbiage condemning the questioner or equating them to Lucifer followed by hate-filled speech (spoken as if you were the Holy Ghost Himself) with a taken-out-of-context verse or two.
You’ve clearly studied a lot of church history and tenants of the Christian faith. But for what purpose? Where, Tim, is the fruit in your life? Where can one find in your life the love and compassion that Jesus exhibited? Why is there such anger and contempt within you? Where is the joy that Jesus wants all believers to experience and in which he promises to make complete? Why is there no apparent laughter and (oh dear, should I actually use this word – yes!) the “gaiety” in your life?
Can anyone, who questions your understanding on any matter of Christian thought and faith not be labeled a heretic sent straight from Lucifer? Apparently not and yet, as you have previously said to me, Lucifer has intentionally deceived me (at God’s command, no less). So, applying your logic gleaned from our previous conversations – any and everything that has ever happen or ever will happen is as a direct result of God’s intentional will and command? If your answer is ‘yes’, then would you please answer this question: if there’s no free-will, why are you not praising God for (I’m using your words here) the world being “inundated with homosexuality, whoredoms (sic), abortion, and false religion”? I can only surmise that as a logical extension of your hyper-Calvinistic thoughts and logic, God desired, designed and implemented all that is antithetical towards Christianity and therefore to Himself. To God be the glory, right? So, why do I not hear a ‘halleluiah’ from you? Why are you not thankful that God has sent me to your blog? After all, am I not (according to your logic) visiting CCR as a direct result of God’s intentional will and command? You should be praising God that I’m conversing with you for after all, I am one of the few who’re willing to do so. Oh, wait, that’s right, God has already determined that you’re to despise anything that is contrary to hyper-Calvinism. Sorry, Tim, but the most elementary reading of Scripture and the simplest application of logic brings down your house of ‘faith-cards’. Your theology doesn’t hold up on its own merits. It’s only with a heavy dose of hate and vile do you make believe and otherwise fool yourself that you are one of God’s chosen few. Sad.
Bill asked you for source material within Christian literature compliant with the theological concept of created speech. Honestly, it didn’t take hardly any time at all to find sources (http://christianbookreviews.net/?p=43#more-43) that, well, have an exceedingly different perspective of The Two Babylons – one of the books you referenced and which I presume to be a foundation of your faith. This review states, “As is commonly the case with fundamentalists, the truth did not get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. Weaving an absurd tale reminiscent of other types of conspiratorial drivel, Woodrow (like Hislop before him) combined incredibly bad scholarship, paranoid delusions, and pure bigotry in an unseemly concoction lacking even a rudimentary understanding of historical developments within the Church. This is where one would expect it to end – another entry in the “antichrist of the month” sweepstakes spoon fed to those who do have neither the knowledge nor the discernment to see past the smokescreen of their insulated belief system.” Ouch! Sorry, but your blog posts appear to be the epitome of this review, Tim.
Before I go, can we agree that there must be consistency throughout Scripture and that doctrine can’t be built on only a given verse. Rather, doctrine that is true is reflected uniformly throughout all of the Bible. With regard to individual election, then, using your beloved KJV, I would welcome an explanation of how you rectify the following verses:
(John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day
(Titus 2:11) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men
Do you see the apparent conflict with personal election? No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him and yet God’s grace which brings salvation has appeared to all men. I could present my $0.02 worth, but again, what’s the point? However, if you ask nicely, I’d be pleased to answer that apparent contradiction.
Paraphrasing, you’ve stated that God has enlightened you with an understanding of non-creating speech and that you’re responsible for passing this knowledge on to the “brethren”. You are then God’s enlightened messenger who’s the only person on earth that has received this revelation? Perhaps you’re in good company for if a Christian has difficulty understanding the concept of created speech and can’t find biblical justification for that belief system, how can one be sure that Timothy Elder Jr. isn’t the origin of a created speech cult in much the same way that a Jehovah Witnesses will follow Charles Russell, Mormons follow Joseph Smith, Seventh-Day Adventists follow Ellen G. White, Christian Scientists follow Mary Eddy Baker or Scientologists follow Armstrong and Hubbard? Pity, perhaps Walter Martin was born (and died) too soon to include you in his book, Kingdom of the Cults.
If you care, feel free to respond to some questions I’d hoped to delve further with you over time. Per your request, unless you give me permission, I won’t respond. But please, fire away:
• Did God plan every evil act and every sin that anyone would have ever committed?
• Did God predestine Adam and Eve to sin?
• Did God plan and bring about the rebellion of Satan who was once the angel of light, Lucifer?
• Did God originate sin? With regard to this question, I don’t doubt that God planned and has “elected” (I’m guessing my definition of “elect” is different than yours) much within our human existence. God may have allowed sin. But I’m hard-pressed to find any Scriptural evidence that sin originated with God. Show me where.
• Has God truly chosen to make you such a wretched creature? I don’t personally think so. Rather, I believe you have exceeded your wildest expectations and have become all that you are of your own volition.
Congratulations! You’re now done with me. Perhaps you’d like to celebrate and go share your faith with someone? I’m sorry, I forgot; outreach to a hyper-Calvinist is pointless.
Well, enjoy your life, Tim. I know I enjoy mine. I do wish you all the best and will welcome the opportunity to discuss anything further with you should you decide to do so. You know where I can be reached.
Sincerely,
Bob
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“I regret your request for me to no longer comment on your blog”
It wasn’t a request. Don’t change your username and go for it again. Not saying you’ve already done it. If you post again I’ll delete it.
2. You should surely be hired by any arminian witch as their PR person.
Your lies are always disguised as sombre wishes for fair discourse while accusing those who point out your lies of being mean spirited asses who do everything they do, supposedly like you, on purpose. I get the point. I really do. You love me in what you call love –but I, as the Big Meanie, won’t love you back by succumbing to your lies. It isn’t that I don’t understand. It’s that I do and I overtly don’t want the emotional common sense friendship or discourse of hardened sinners in addition to being blessed by God to not have to hear it.
You can’t choose to believe what God is Saying through me as truth. No one has that ability. I don’t speak as if you could and to pretend that is exactly why I speak is to lie to my face and to call me a liar, no matter that you think to have done so in some perfect emotional paradigm some onlookers will automatically be forced to think is politeness because they share your deceptions.
Proverbs 14: 7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
Proverbs 6: 12-15 A man of Belial, a wicked person, is he that goeth about with a perverse mouth; he winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; deceits are in his heart; he deviseth mischief at all times, he soweth discords. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly: in a moment shall he be broken, and without remedy.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Tim,
Sorry your undies are overly-starched and chaffing you causing you to be so grumpy.
“And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:29-31 ESV)
Notice anything unusual in this passage Tim? What it DOESN’T say? It DOESN’T say “Believe in TULIP/Election/Calvinism and you will be saved”, now does it? Nope. Can you provide 1 biblical reference that declares anyone’s salvation is based on anything other than faith in Jesus Christ?
I don’t know Bob personally who posted above, but I have read his blog and interacted with him. He’s far more of a Christian than you are demonstrating here despite your claims of “calvinism.”
You’ve obviously locked onto a small sub-set of doctrines in Scripture summarized as “Calvinism” but you obviously have no clear understanding as to their meaning to the Christian life or the advancement of the Gospel & Kingdom of Christ within us, in His Church, and in the world.
As one who holds to Calvinistic doctrines myself, please stop calling yourself a Calvinist. Use some of your non-creative speech (which Star Trek episode is that from, by the way?) and whip yourself up a new word for what you believe; cause whatever it is it isn’t Calvinism, let alone classic, historic, biblical Christianity. You’re giving both a bad name.
Scott
Scott,
You are a friend to liars and those who hate Christ. They deceive you all the day while they ‘debate Scripture’ with you.
Proverbs 23: 6-9 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words. Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
As for the spirit and life you seek to discern sheep from wolves and goats pretending to be sheep:
Matthew 7: 20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Bob is hardly casting out that spirit in his flesh. All he did was get his feelings hurt and here you are defending the emotional common sense of Lucifer. That spirit in your flesh is a liar and the same spirit Bob has, despite your claim to be a Calvinist. Lots of wolves claim to be Christians. Do you see that Scott? God says “by their fruits YOU will now them”, not “by their fruits you will be legitimately confused and therefore excused to be found their friend.”
God actually lives in me and speaks through me,Scott. It’s called being a Christian. He has overtly Said it. So you don’t have to say “Hey! You’re claiming God lives in you and speaks through you!” as if you intuited it by clever means with your ‘free’ will. That’s exactly what He does, Scott. It’s obvious he isn’t speaking through you. You seem to be riding a wave of popularity called Calvinism that is just polishing the reputation of something so people will supposedly chose it as truth that would never do any such thing as claim to know absolute truth as the person of Jesus Christ. But just so you know, Calvinism is to know absolute truth as the person of Jesus Christ and to know the difference between truth and lies. There is a absolute difference between polishing the reputation of life in Christ and living it.
No one has the ability to chose God as savior and saying that they do is a lie and accusing God of being a liar.
An Arminian plays at getting his feelings hurt and you ride to the rescue? What? I suppose you think you’ll be a hero to your mother or a pastor who sees his job is only to keep groups of people together no matter what they believe or say. Hugs all around? Keep me off your social network, Scott. Don’t ‘friend’ me. Anyone who is deceived that they cannot, by the definition of being a Christian, know false brethren is a liar and is overtly admitting God does not live in them.
Here are some more verses directly relating to discerning false brethren and which are God creating what He is saying:
Galatians 2: 4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
I John 4-6 Ye are of God, children, and have overcome them, because greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. They are of the world; for this reason they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God; he that knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. From this WE know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
The doctrine of the Logos is orthodox Christianity. Modern Christianity is well known as neo-orthodoxy and a lie even though it is older than both of us. God merely speaks the doctrine of the Logos through me as pointing out the non-creating nature of Lucifer’s speech and his common sense derived from a total lack of new creation in his worldview, which has the side benefit of fully exposing those who were playing off the lack of understanding of the Logos to deceive the household of faith in Jesus Christ on a host of issues. How strange you say you are a Calvinist and yet you have Lucifer’s emotional common sense, in which patience in Christ is called cowardice, boldness in Christ is called hubris, discernment is called evil discrimination and hatred of evil is called bigotry.
You’ll find a lot of old, pretend Calvinists around who would agree with you, Scott. They are ‘conservatives’. They were and are the ones who sided with the Arminians all these years, just like you, and on their watch have turned society and the Church into a cesspool. Go play emotional referee somewhere else until the day God burns you down.
John 8: 42-47 Jesus said to them, If God were your father ye would have loved me, for I came forth from God and am come from him ; for neither am I come of myself, but *he* has sent me. Why do ye not know my speech? Because ye cannot hear my word.Ye are of the devil, as your father, and ye desire to do the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks falsehood, he speaks of what is his own; for he is a liar and its father: and because I speak the truth, ye do not believe me. Which of you convinces me of sin? If I speak truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God hears the words of God: therefore ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.
timothy
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
“You are a friend to liars and those who hate Christ.”
“The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.” — Matt. 11:19, ESV
Scott
It’s good that many see Lucifer is trying to infiltrate Calvinistic circles with inclusiveness with Belial under the guise of having a savior complex and the verse he twists to such ends. It is true that Jesus Christ is a savior and thus went to those He saves. However you are not a savior or a good guy for hanging out with liars. Being sent to the sinners to tell them the truth as God speaks it through us is not at all hanging out with sinners and effectively telling them they are not sinners and everything is okay with their soul and that their doctrine is okay.
What is now happening in Iraq to Christians will happen here if you get want you want. First they were deceived by false doctrine that makes all of them pacifists if they are Christians at all. Then they are and will be persecuted and killed. The whole time they will say what I have heard many say about pagans, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Arminians in particular: “We’ve been getting along with them all these years”.
That’s the problem. Not the solution.
Every person that goes the interfaith/inter-doctrine route is overtly fighting against Christ in the guise of being a hero of the human heart.
Luke 22: 35-38 And he said to them, When I sent you without purse and scrip and sandals, did ye lack anything? And they said, Nothing.
He said therefore to them, But now he that has a purse let him take it , in like manner also a scrip, and he that has none let him sell his garment and buy a sword; for I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned with the lawless: for also the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold here are two swords. And he said to them, It is enough.
Arminians are liars sent to deceive the household of faith in Jesus Christ in every way. They are not at all victims of bad doctrine, especially the ones who love to argue doctrine and are very educated about the Bible they read as if it were human speech.
The Savior gets to go to sinners. But even he does not stay with those who cannot hear Him.
John 8: 43-45 Why do ye not know my speech? Because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of the devil, as your father, and ye desire to do the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks falsehood, he speaks of what is his own; for he is a liar and its father: and because I speak the truth, ye do not believe me.
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Go your way Scott, and don’t post here again. When you get burned down by God and liars triumph over you, they will only laugh as they say “You knew what I was all along. Otherwise you wouldn’t have kept trying to save me.”
Matthew 23: 13-15 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for *ye* do not enter, nor do ye suffer those that are entering to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye compass the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and when he is become such , ye make him twofold more the son of hell than yourselves.
II Corithinans 6: 14-18 Be not diversely yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there between righteousness and lawlessness? or what fellowship of light with darkness? and what consent of Christ with Beliar, or what part for a believer along with an unbeliever? and what agreement of God’s temple with idols? for *ye* are the living God’s temple; according as God has said, I will dwell among them, and walk among them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be to me a people. Wherefore come out from the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and touch not what is unclean, and *I* will receive you; and I will be to you for a Father, and ye shall be to me for sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen