You cannot simply stop believing in free will because you want to

You may obviously have a deception that you think is truth and that deception may be that you have free will. Believing is the act of a spirit in conjunction with you as you are as a total creature, not simply ‘a decision’ that you get to make at all. While you can be given ( as in swapped by spirits ) to new lies, those spirits have no power to know truth or to make you know truth.

There is no free will. Even for spirits.

If you are in the deception of free will and you read this blog, you may get the ( false ) impression that what God is saying through me is that you ought to stop believing in free will and start being a Calvinist –as an act of will. The reality is you can’t stop being deceived minus the grace of God. God has put many people into deception that have scorned his truth and verbatim Says So as spirit and life:

2 Thess 2:11,12  And for this reason God sends to them a working of error, that they should believe what is false,  that all might be judged who have not believed the truth, but have found pleasure in unrighteousness.

In addition, God Says the natural man –you, if you have not been non-metaphorically born again– CANNOT know the things of God. One way of understanding that is that the natural man/fallen man can only understand what God sends to him to understand.

1 Corinthians 2:14  But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned;

You are born again simply by hearing the Word of God. That happens to many people and they do not immediately perceive it while others know it.

John 3:5 -8 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not wonder that I said to thee, It is needful that *ye* should be born anew.   The wind blows where it will, and thou hearest its voice, but knowest not whence it comes and where it goes: thus is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So while you can read this blog and perfectly understand the repercussions and evil effects of the mere belief in free will, you should not think at all that I’m writing in non-creating speech or merely saying “as an act of your will, stop doing one thing and start doing another as a kind of new ideal model of thinking/feeling behavior.”

While I will always, as God does it through me, continue to demonstrate to you what is happening as a direct result of being in non-creating speech and the lie of human free will, you must be born again to get out of those consequences and you cannot do that with an act of will. If that frightens you –that’s good as long as that fright is a fear of God.

God Says that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God ..not the apex of wisdom –the beginning. He also says you will hold that fear as a treasure if you are truly His.

Proverbs 9:10-12  The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the Holy is intelligence.   For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and years of life shall be added to thee.   If thou art wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself; and if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.

Isaiah 33:5-6  Jehovah is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with justice and righteousness; and he shall be the stability of thy times, the riches of salvation, wisdom and knowledge: the fear of Jehovah shall be your treasure.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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  1. Frank Norman
    October 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    What’s the point of this article? Does its author want people to disbelieve in “free will” or not? And which definition of it is he using? “Free” as in to be able to obey God without needing Divine help in doing so? (ie Pelagianism) Or just “free” as in able to make choices that couldn’t be predicted just from your previous state – even if, for a fallen human, they would all be sinful choices.
    The author seems to be one of those extreme Calvinists who regard any professing Christian who doesn’t “buy into” the whole “TULIP” package to be not really saved. What Scriptural basis does he have for THAT?
    Did Cornelius the centurion have a clue about such doctrines when Simon Peter told him that everyone who believes in Jesus is forgiven of all their sins, and he just believed it?

    The Apostle John in his first letter goes to some length to discuss the traits that distinguish the true saint from the false one – faith in Christ, love for other believers, the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, etc
    Nothing in there about anyone’s opinions on “free will”.

    • christianclarityreview
      October 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      I see. You’re one of those “we proved free will to be so real anyone who questions it is a moron” types. That you disguise in that a love paradigm is not surprising. Your version of love must be quite astounding in your eyes and you must assume ‘everyone’ has that same lie as their best honesty. If I had been telling everyone that they had free will and could do whatever they wanted in order to control them, I would begin to sweat too when they found out the effect of your lies in their lives. My tact to preserve my life might even go the same as yours if I were as big a liar as you: mock what opposes you, then add some love stuff for extra measure and end up with a Holy Spirit comment that supposedly negates even noticing you do not have free will. A “what’s the difference?!” argument with lots of false detail to look like detailed knowledge instead of the lie it is.

      Just so we’re clear:

      1. If you believe you have free will and that you ‘choose to believe Jesus’ and that falsely idealized choice actually saved you, will save you and/or changed you from one creature to another, then you are not a Christian. Trying to imply that people who know there is no free will are somehow bigoted or have some negative quality about them in order to imply some innate goodness to simply believing you have free will is a lie and a common attempt by liars. That’s the ‘we’ve been through this argument and everybody knows what I wish to believe is true is true’ ploy.

      2. Cornelius was granted grace to hear the Word of God and be born again. You have implied he somehow used a free will to choose to believe what he heard and that what he formerly had been told by others and then was told by Peter was non-creating speech and had no effect on him, but that he was just smarter than all the dumb people who ‘choose to disbelieve’. You probably do not even realize that in order to make such a mockery, you had to equate the speech of Satan with the speech of God so that all speech looks powerless enough to be just a “information delivery system that God, Satan and men are all forced to use equally to make their points” … which is the unforgivable sin. Your theology would not then include an Incarnation of the Word of God,that Jesus Christ was and is the Word of God, the difference between the speech God confounded at Babel and Himself as Word and that such a thing as a pre-Incarnate Christ ever was. It shouldn’t surprise you however to find that your default argument against true Christianity reflects your default piety and so you do the unforgivable sin as your best honesty and religion and laugh at whoever doesn’t do the same. So it is with all free willers.

      Maybe you should find a stick-to-the-script Calvinist site in which ‘both sides’ hold to the tried and true arguments that have been regurgitated thousands of times on websites all over the world in the speech God broke up at Babel. That way they will all immediately get your sense of humor, your love paradigm, everyone will call each brother after the same show has been repeated over and over and you can feel you used religion to get a target community to unify in the love paradigm of the day. The downside of that is that you then end up burning in the lake of fire and can’t even repeat the lie to yourself “I’ve got free will!” because there is no time between episodes of pain to think such non-real thoughts.

      You may also be one of those who try to portray that using Strong’s Numbers or getting more detailed with the Greek and Hebrew is like turning on infra-red goggles to read Scripture and your always implying to others “Oh. You don’t ..have one of these?”

      You came. You spoke non-creating speech, the common sense of it, did the unforgivable sin as your default piety and all that just to say the same old accusations against true servants of Christ that Satan has been saying for thousands of years.

      Then God spoke through me. Are we feeling love yet?

      Next?

      John 2:24,25 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  2. Frank Norman
    October 7, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    There are plenty of Christians around who at one time gave credence to Calvinism, and the idea that God makes all our choices for us, but later came to realise that this was being read into the Bible. It is possible to understand all of the “proof-texts” Calvinists offer in a non-Calvinist way – and more often than not, the non-Calvinist way makes more sense in the context.

    So… are you capable of considering the arguments rationally, and changing your mind on the subject if convinced?

    • christianclarityreview
      October 7, 2011 at 9:10 pm

      “So… are you capable of considering the arguments rationally, and changing your mind on the subject if convinced?”

      Note the appeal to a free willed mind implicit in the idealized olive branch. There is no free will and no one can “change their mind” because you do not control the beliefs you have. God gives them to you for good or ill. Like the article said, you can’t stop believing in free will just because you find out what has been done to you through the means of that lie.

      Note that I don’t ask “if God gave you himself as the mind of Christ, would you consider being a gentleman and changing you mind about your heresies?”

      2Thess 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  3. Frank Norman
    October 7, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    On the other hand, the people who would most loudly scoff at any notion of “free will” would be Atheists and Materialists. And logically so, from their point of view, since they deny that human spirits exist at all. To them, human thought it all just brain cells acting according to the “laws of nature”.

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