The Deceit of Patron Saints: worshiping the host of heaven is necromancy


There are no patron saints. The lie that there is has always been necromancy ( worship of the dead ), and a way to modify behavior for all those first deceived they have free will.

Joan of Arc, a theoretical virgin sacrifice for France who is at least held up as if she ought to be revered as a savior of France was burned at the stake. Her bones were found in a shop and her narrative was subsequently twisted by the Romanists into yet another ‘patron saint’. Now it turns out her bones were faked. They were not even replaced. They were simply faked from the beginning: a human bone and a mummified cat from Egypt.

Martin Luther was repulsed by the worship of ‘sacred artifacts’. He wondered out loud how the Catholic Church could venerate thirteen skulls of the twelve apostles, noting the rampant falsification of ‘sacred artifacts’ even in his own time and as faking what was already fake. The Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox are famous for ‘kissing the bones’ and wearing reputed bones or dried organs of dead saints on their person as functional amulets.

No real Christian would possibly think that even the thought of such trophies of Satan as the dead body parts of real Christians, even if they were real and their authenticity beyond dispute, hanging on anyone, much less preachers of false doctrine were anything close to holy. That they are further displayed as museum pieces or in shrines for religious tourism is yet more evil.

These things constantly turn out to be fake or else are simply unable to be proven that they actually are the bones of the person they pretend to represent. But it is the thought that counts: the enslaving of thought by those deceived by populist, ceremonial religion.

No doubt another set of ashes or bones will turn up, someone will be involved in a theater of indignant incredulity that the ‘artifacts’ are doubted and/or the ‘saint’ not placed within the pantheon of the Romanists/Eastern Orthodox. The slavery of mind has to at least pretend to be its own doubter and to have solved that doubt to have it bases covered in the slave mind.

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You don’t hear a lot about “St.Samuel” from those that promote necromancy dressed as Christianity. That is because to bring up the reality that God condemned King Saul to death for having a witch call up the supposed spirit of Samuel from the dead ( a thing he did in order to try and get blessing for the securing of his own throne over Israel and for defending Israel against the Philistines ..which any modern priest of the Romanist/Orthodox Church would say was the ‘right way’ to worship the host of heaven –to include real Christians in heaven.) . The fact he called on the dead, whom he thought to be dead and not living in Christ and that he was forbidden to do so doesn’t faze the zealots who need people deceived so they can make money. The fact that it is nowhere proven that he even spoke to the real Samuel and didn’t get a demon in disguise doesn’t faze them either. They just need the pews full to keep doing the theater that is occult worship. So to avoid all those types of questions, they just don’t mention him a lot, other than to simply use him as a generic example of ‘calling on the saints’.

There is no right way to pray to the hosts of heaven –even those who are real Christians in heaven. It is specifically forbidden. We are to pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus Christ by the means of the prayers He sends us in our hearts –not memorized prayers given by those who desire to enslave the mind and teach false prayers to Christians so that the wrath of God will come instead of answered prayer. The doctrine of Baalam was to teach Israel to sin in the guise of religious worship. The Romanist and Eastern Orthodox are masters at that one thing. And every time they get caught lying, they only hope it was the thought that counts: the time-in-lie per individual they have lied to.

For those of you who note such things, go back and research all the false cures and blessings gotten through the bones now proven to be fake. Also note the subtle and not so subtle attempts to polish the image of the remaining trophies all over the world and to find new ones.

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wrath on Israel because they worshipped the host of heaven:

Deu 17:2-5  If there be found in thy midst in any of thy gates which Jehovah thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that doeth what is evil in the sight of Jehovah thy God, in transgressing his covenant, and goeth and serveth other gods, and boweth down to them, either to the sun or to the moon, or to the whole host of heaven, which I have not commanded;   and it be told thee, and thou hearest of it; then thou shalt make thorough inquiry, and if it be truth and the thing be certain, that this abomination hath been wrought in Israel, thou shalt bring forth that man or that woman, who committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, the man or the woman, and shalt stone them with stones, that they die.

Note that God had to come and execute that judgment because so many in Israel were worshiping the host of heaven and conspiring to exempt themselves from that judgment by saying that they were of course not worshiping the host of heaven, but had found a new religion of which God had said nothing ( like a sci-fi movie ) or that those who told them they were wrong were simply ‘mistaken, but basically nice people’.

2 Kings 21:3-16 And he built again the high places that Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars to Baal and made an Asherah, as did Ahab king of Israel; and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.  And he built altars in the house of Jehovah, of which Jehovah had said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.  And he built altars to all the host of heaven in both courts of the house of Jehovah.   And he caused his son to pass through the fire, and used magic and divination, and appointed necromancers and soothsayers: he wrought evil beyond measure in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke him to anger.  And he set the graven image of the Asherah that he had made, in the house of which Jehovah had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever;   neither will I any more cause the foot of Israel to wander away from the land that I gave their fathers; if they will only take heed to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.   But they would not hearken, and Manasseh led them astray to do more evil than the nations that Jehovah had destroyed from before the children of Israel. And Jehovah spoke by his servants the prophets saying, Because Manasseh king of Judah hath done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did, who were before him, and hath made Judah also to sin with his idols;  therefore thus saith Jehovah the God of Israel: Behold, I will bring evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab, and I will wipe Jerusalem as one wipeth a pan, wiping it and turning it upside down.  And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies;   because they have done evil in my sight, and have provoked me to anger, since the day their fathers came forth out of Egypt even to this day.  And Manasseh shed very much innocent blood, till he had filled Jerusalem with it from one end to another; beside his sin with which he made Judah to sin, in doing evil in the sight of Jehovah.

Isaiah 2:6-11  For thou hast cast off thy people, the house of Jacob, because they are filled with what comes from the east, and use auguries like the Philistines, and ally themselves with the children of foreigners.  And their land is full of silver and gold, and there is no end of their treasures: their land also is full of horses, and there is no end of their chariots. And their land is full of idols; they bow themselves down to the work of their own hands, to that which their fingers have made.   And the mean man shall be bowed down, and the great man shall be brought low: and do not thou forgive them! Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, from before the terror of Jehovah, and from the glory of his majesty. The lofty eyes of man shall be brought low, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and Jehovah alone shall be exalted in that day.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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  1. Adi
    August 3, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Why don’t you check the myrrh-streaming relics of certain saints? There are many of them – for example in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra. Do you know that the early Christians used as altars the corpses of their dead? In fact no liturgy can take place in the Orthodox church without a special cloth which contains a particle of a relic… It is used when bread and wine are changed into the blood and body of Christ. Do you know that in Italy there is such bread and wine turned to flesh and blood preserved unaltered since the 8th century? This was due to a priest’s doubts. It turned out the flesh is human heart tissue and the blood is of the AB type, just as the blood of the Turin shroud. We pray to the saints to INTERCEDE for us, because they are close to God.

    • christianclarityreview
      August 3, 2010 at 11:17 pm

      The only intercessor for us is Christ Himself. Even the actual saints knew this as God said it through them:

      Hebrews 7:22-27 by so much Jesus became surety of a better covenant. And they have been many priests, on account of being hindered from continuing by death; but he, because of his continuing for ever, has the priesthood unchangeable. Whence also he is able to save completely those who approach by him to God, always living to intercede for them. For such a high priest became us, holy, harmless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and become higher than the heavens: who has not day by day need, as the high priests, first to offer up sacrifices for his own sins, then for those of the people; for this he did once for all in having offered up himself.

      In short, every office or act that the Romanists and the Orthodox Church have assigned to dead saints to perform on the supposed behalf of new creatures in Jesus Christ still in this corrupt flesh, God explicitly says He alone fulfills, either by Christ or by the Holy Spirit. To then suggest that Christ and the Holy Spirit are insufficient for the tasks is blasphemy.

      You have a false common sense approach to the necessity of saints that goes: “they have more experience, they have been Christians longer than me, they see more of reality since they are in heaven and I am not, etc. But that is all based on a free will outlook and the limitations of that outlook. Christ non-metaphorically living in you and the Holy Spirit non-metaphorically living in you does away with the need for any other intercessor or the need for personal experience in order to understand something or be understood by God. Christ giving you your prayers and saying them through you IS the intercession you need in the flesh. His blood covered your sins once for all.

      The only thing dead saint worship is, is a worship of the host of heaven under the guise of a supposed necessity for spiritual intelligence that a newborn Christian cannot have by him/her self. But God Himself performs that role. Once you are into a idealized intercessor system, where does it end and why? Once you have said “God Himself is not enough” then ..what is enough? Who tells you what to say to the intercessor of the intercessor? Who is giving you what prayers, since by definition you say the Holy Spirit can’t do that? How many steps removed from God are you idealized to be in order to need ‘x’ number of intercessors? Obviously, the more steps removed, the more ecumenical the system and the more busy work needed to ‘do’ the religion. That’s political control, not salvation in Jesus Christ.

      God gives me prayers and says them through me, as He does with all new creatures in Jesus Christ:

      Romans 8:26,27 And in like manner the Spirit joins also its help to our weakness; for we do not know what we should pray for as is fitting, but the Spirit itself makes intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered. But he who searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he intercedes for saints according to God.

      Gal 4:6 But because ye are sons, God has sent out the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

      God sends the spirit of Christ as the Word of God as the prayers He then prays back to Himself in us, thereby authenticating the prayer.

      Relics are loathed by God. According to your logic, Hezekiah was wrong to destroy the brass serpent that Moses fashioned in the wilderness –at the command of God — because the Israelites had begun to worship it. God told Moses to make it, then they kept it as a memorial, then God had Hezekiah destroy it because it was a snare to weak believers. And it was real, it was not a piece of St. So an So’s liver or some such.

      2Kings 18:4-7 He removed the high places, and broke the columns, and cut down the Asherahs, and broke in pieces the serpent of brass that Moses had made; for to those days the children of Israel burned incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. He trusted in Jehovah the God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor among any that were before him. And he clave to Jehovah, and did not turn aside from following him, but kept his commandments, which Jehovah commanded Moses. And Jehovah was with him; he prospered whithersoever he went forth. And he rebelled against the king of Assyria, and served him not.

      I suppose you think they ought to have burned incense to it and that it was a great loss to have lost it? Or even worse, you supposedly have it in a secret vault, even though God explicitly says it was destroyed? How far will you go against God simply to keep your own priestly system intact?

      As for the supposed supernatural properties of relics, that is just fiction. Even were it true, we are forbidden from worshiping the relics. You are basically trying to instill the behavior that will accept the anti-Christ’s powers as legitimate and as God.

      Rev: 13:13-15 And it works great signs, that it should cause even fire to come down from heaven to the earth before men. And it deceives those that dwell upon the earth by reason of the signs which it was given to it to work before the beast, saying to those that dwell upon the earth to make an image to the beast, which has the wound of the sword, and lived. And it was given to it to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should also speak, and should cause that as many as should not do homage to the image of the beast should be killed.

      And you would say “the image is speaking! It’s a sign from God!”..?

      Even if your relics are bleeding money or blood, they are satanic. As for the wine and wafer turning into blood, that is not proved and even if it was, are you saying God has type AB blood? What? Do you even understand how superstitious you are?

      That no service can take place without a satanic piece of equipment in the room says volumes about the Orthodox Church. It is bad enough you are deceived. But you want to deceive others and call that Christianity.

      Part of the life in Christ we have is the victory over the image/icon, not subservience to it:

      Revelation 15:2,3 And I saw as a glass sea, mingled with fire, and those that had gained the victory over the beast, and over its image, and over the number of its name, standing upon the glass sea, having harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses bondman of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and wonderful are thy works, Lord God Almighty; righteous and true are thy ways, O King of nations.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  2. Adi
    August 4, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Hello Timothy,

    Christianity is not a religion created 5 centuries ago, but it has existed for 2000 years.
    What is the point to write so extensively if you are not aware of the numerous healings and help that believers have experienced with relics and saints? Did not Moses intercede for his people, so that God spared them despite His wrath? Did not the evangelists write that Christians will heal?
    My Church has been around for 2000 years and is the one Christian Church which has preserved the tradition handed down to us by the Apostles, the first martyrs and saints, Christ himself and his Mother.
    I think it is enough to be present at a liturgy (it was written by Saint John Chrisostom and we’ve preserved it over the millenia), to see its beauty and feel the sanctity of it, to understand.
    Regarding the eucharist, read the Apostolic rules of the early Church. They were given to us by the Apostles. Check the practices of the early Christians. Christ created it in order to replace the bloody cruel pagan sacrifices. Why do you think the Bible calls him a Lamb? He takes the place of the sacrifical lamb which Jews ate to commemorate the Exodus.
    You do not know what it means to have grown up in an Orthodox country. I am so grateful that this is the case.
    Your Church also removed some Biblical texts.
    It is pointless if different churches call each other satanic. Do you doubt it that the Orthodox are taught that all miracles in your church are satanic? That you are heretics? What I see as positive in Protestantism is the focus on Bible reading and on Christ. I think that is very positive. But all Christian Churches are about reaching God through Christ.
    In my humble opinion, a Church which does not practice fasting is missing something very important. It has tremendous spiritual impact. We Orthodox fast more than half the year.
    Regarding the shroud of Turin, there have been new findings. The old dating was wrong. Actually it has pollen from the Holy Land, Constantinople and West Europe. Also infra-red pictures reveal that the words Lamb of God are written across.
    Dear christiancl, find out more about your faith. We both share a sincere faith and reverence for Christ and God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

  3. Adi
    August 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    About images:
    1. Christ wiped his face with a cloth and gave it to be sent to a sick man. And told him it would heal him, but not completely. Full healing would come with an apostle’s visit
    2. God commanded to make Cherubims and place them over the Arch of the Covenant
    3. The Saints and icons are ways to connect to God. In the Orthodox Church icons are painted according to a strict canon after a lengthy fast and a period of prayer. The images are therefore very stylized and do not seek to imitate reality.
    4. The Apostle Luke painted the first icons of the Mother of God in order for Christians in distant places to be able to spiritually connect to her.

  4. Adi
    August 4, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Dear Timothy, I apologize for writing for the third time, but many saints, at least those recognized by the Orthodox Church, performed many miracles during their life-times THROUGH PRAYER to God. St. Nicholas the Wonderworker, Saint Fanurios, St. Matrona of Moscow, Saint John the Russian, St Seraphim of Sarov, etc. Many of them were notified in advance about the exact time of their death. Some were able to appear in distant places, heal, etc. Some prayed to be delivered from miraculous abilities to avoid evil temptation.
    I live in the capital of an Orthodox country and we are proud to have many relics in our churches. I can assure you that the wonder-working icons and relics have a special aura.
    I’d like to add something else – Christ said that some demons can be expelled only through prayer and fasting. So fasting is essential. Also – the eucharist has proven to work wonders on many people – people get completely cured of cancer, impossible medical cases are healed, etc. Of course the most important thing is that it unites us with God.
    Finally, I will shock you even more by telling you that I have at home a vigil lamp (oil lamp) and incence. God save us!

    • christianclarityreview
      August 4, 2010 at 6:41 pm

      Adi,

      I have no doubt that in your own mind, your intentions are good. At best, that is what you want to say about Calvinism. But the problem is that you worship your intentions in the guise of actually worshiping Christ.

      Some things you say are true in Scripture, but have been twisted to give you supposed permission to worship idols. Mary is not to be worshiped or prayed to as is the witness of Scripture, no matter how often someone tells you one of the apostles implied or helped out in that worship. You’re simply worshiping Astarte or Diana which is the same mother goddess of the pagans. It has nothing to do with the real Mary. The things that have been given to you to idealize as that worship are forbidden in Scripture.

      Supposedly, in your doctrine, if Satan disguised itself as an angel of light, you would be required to bow down to him. Yet we see those who have been in the presence of actual angels of light are forbidden from bowing to them. An angel is sent from the face of God to John and the angel forbids John from worshiping him:

      Rev 22:6-9 And he said to me, These words are faithful and true; and the Lord God of the spirits of the prophets has sent his angel to shew to his bondmen the things which must soon come to pass. And behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book. And I, John, was he who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to do homage before the feet of the angel who shewed me these things. And he says to me, See thou do it not. I am thy fellow-bondman, and the fellow-bondman of thy brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Do homage to God.

      God specifically says “blessed is he who keeps the words of this book” –and then John is forbidden from worshiping one of the angels. The very worship you would have to say is not only legitimate but is required as piety God forbids.

      I think at heart you feel your ideal model of behavior as a lifestyle is under attack. In fact, you are spiritually dead and must be born again in Jesus Christ. When God non-metaphorically dwells in you, is He going to pray to one less than Himself? Is He going to pray to Mary or Peter or any other? Is He going to burn incense to an image He has expressly forbidden to be formed?

      And you have not yet seen that the life your people live in your country are specifically linked to your belief in free will and the notion that such a thing as an ideal model of behavior even exists. You are perpetually taken in snares and those snares are called piety. You are always suffering wave after wave of destruction and affliction and yet you do not see those things come directly from the lie of human free will at work as a spirit in all deceived by it. The same thing is going on in the West from the same source. Yet they have you adding behaviors to your personal calendar as religious activity on the premise that engaging in those behaviors is a strength. In fact, it just takes you out of the way for those who want political power and then you teach others those same activities to gt them out of the way as well.

      Because you are deceived you have free will, the emotional response system that comes with that lie keeps you offended at hearing anything else. You are not all being called ‘dumb’ or ‘stupid’ as supposedly having made incorrect intellectual choices while Calvinist supposed make good and correct choices. You are spiritually deceived and Calvinists are actual, non-metaphorical new creatures in Jesus Christ who want the same new birth for you as we have in Christ. If indeed, we are brethren, then you know very well no one fights like family. If it takes being your enemy in the flesh for God to help you, then I will do so if that is God’s will. That is kind of fast of which you and all Orthodox are completely unfamiliar. You may lack food or some favored drink for several hours or even days. But to be separate from your brethren for their benefit you know nothing. Your notions of fellowship are all based on friendly agreement. You know nothing of being full in the way God intends for you to be full and empty in the way God intends you to be empty as a new creature in Jesus Christ. So far, yours is a life of being filled with supposed pious practices that demonstrate a certain zeal for God, but not according to knowledge and not in new life in Christ. Everything you write screams that you are the old man trying to obtain something you have not got, you assume I am the same and you offer me your practices to help out.

      But you are deceived. There have been no such cures as you claim other than the apostles and those healed since by the simple prayer of faith as God granted and grants. Your whole system of doctrine is in place to give itself credit for the things God Himself performs in the guise of giving credit to the free will of the adherent for supposedly doing certain behaviors.

      I am familiar in every way with the spirit you have. The same spirit, minus most of your ceremony, reigns in free will based churches all across America. They pump out criminal after criminal who is a actual church-going, pious person in public, well know to have associated themselves with religion for the purpose of perpetuating criminality. They are the very supposed pro-Christ but actually anti-Calvinists as you. It is their mindset and spirit that has brought ruin to the world to this day.

      I can easily point out gangsters and organized crime who are very Orthodox just as you can point out Western gangsters who are free will based religious people, to include politicians. But where are the Calvinist gangsters? Where are the Calvinist promoters of homosexuality and abortion, gambling and pornography? There are none and you know it. Calvinism started in the Garden of Eden and even before in God’s predetermination of all things. It is the simple Christian faith of actually being new creature in Jesus Christ and has no facility or utility for those who just want to ‘search for God’ or look for spiritual excitement in front of their fellow man.

      I have no doubt that your life is filled with devices pushed on you by clever satanists. All of them have the look of being a natural calendar of faith throughout the year. But they are really a machine to keep you busy in vanity and evil.

      I can understand when that is all you ever heard. But all over the world, new creatures in Jesus Christ are non-metaphorically born again in Jesus Christ by hearing God one time and knowing the difference between Him as Word and all the human speech they ever heard. You have a non-creating speech that makes false presumptions about what the Holy ought ideally to look like or be as an experience and then structures practices to repeat a simulation of those idealizations as if that were going to make you holy one day. I tell in you in Christ, they lead you only to vanity.

      May God bless you in new birth in Jesus Christ and particularly as not being used to lead others to vanity. Being persecuted for the truth of Christ in the midst of a people who all say they are already Christians is a fast you know nothing about.

      Rev 22:10,11 And he says to me, Seal not the words of the prophecy of this book. The time is near. Let him that does unrighteously do unrighteously still; and let the filthy make himself filthy still; and let him that is righteous practise righteousness still; and he that is holy, let him be sanctified still.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  5. Adi
    August 5, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Dear Timothy,
    I think the worst thing that has happened is the division of Christianity. I think that Calvin, or anybody else, should have worked from within the establishment. I myself dislike many practices, but would rather talk calmly about them, discuss them and pray to God to rectify them. Sometimes I have made mistakes myself when criticizing others.
    We are not required to bow down to anybody. If we do it is by our own desire. Nevertheless, that quotation from the book of Revelations is a good one in that it teaches us to bow to God only, not to the saints. This does not mean we cannot pray to them.
    Protestants follow the scriptures – however, the scriptures were written and compiled by the same people who established the other rules and practices rejected by protestants, including the use of icons. For example the 85th (last) rule established by the Apostles lists all the New and Old Testament texts and in addition other books of mysterious character (related to the mysteries of the Church) meant for use only by the ordained clergy. Do protestants use those other books? Don’t you think you should find as much as possible about the early church’s councils, facts and history, prior to supporting Calvinism? I think that by your logic you should reject the Bible and Christianity, as a whole, which you have to a great extent.
    As an educated woman I do not blindly accept all saints or Church practices. This does not mean that I will reject the Church and become a protestant (or a Catholic – too reformed for me). The Bible indicates certain saints – Elijah, St. John the Baptist, the Mother of God, whose existence we cannot doubt. In the scene of the Transfiguration of the Lord, Christ speaks with Moses and Elijah. The latter, as you know, ascended to haven in a fiery chariot at his death. Noone has taught me how to interpret this scene, but with my own judgment I see this as a proof that a saint such as Elijah is someone it is possible to communicate with. There are other recent saints for whom there are well documented facts.
    It is and absurdity to claim that there have not been any healings and miracles since ancient times. You can search the web, I suppose there’ll be plenty of material.
    In terms of the miracles – I experience them at each liturgy, me and many others. There is presence. This is what makes us believers.
    I don’t think that gangsters are very orthodox or orthodox at all. Where I live due to the communist past most people are atheist or believe in all types of strange things, ranging from astrology to children who communicate telepathically, to psychics, meditation, etc. Believers of the old generation might have never read the Bible or a book on the Faith. Many just get baptized, married at church and get a Christian burial without ever practicing the religion.
    True, there might be SOME deceit with SOME saints or relics, but I hope that God is merciful and that he knows our intentions. In addition, I think that the situation in the Orthodox and Catholic churches differs widely.
    Regarding free will and predetermination, there is enough in both the old and new testament to show that we are expected to behave in certain ways. God taught the Jews to avoid incest, to help widows and orphans, to give 10% of their goods to the levites, etc. Jesus clearly talks about Lazarus and the rich man, about those who did not clothe him or feed him, about the man on the road beaten by robbers and the one who helped him… In the entire Old Testament God warns the Jews that they will be punished if they don’t follow Moses’s laws. All this does not mean that God cannot make us follow his will at times, as the Scriptures clearly indicate in the Old Testament.
    Look at Orthodox icons – Byzantine style (the Russian ones have Western influences) and see for yourself if those stylized images tell us what the Holy should look like. Many Orthodox women go to church with a scarf because St. Paul says we should do so. It is preferable to use skirts as well. This is another example of a spiritual fast in our modern times.
    The food fast does help the spiritual one. It helps a lot in repentance, to humble us, to stop our lust. It stops our cruelty towards animals. For your information, the strict Orthodox fast consists of a vegan diet minus the oil. Every fasting period includes spiritual fast.
    I think that prior to criticizing you should get informed. I don’t think you know much about my faith or about the origins of Christianity. I don’t think that I know everything, on the contrary. I think that the only way for the Christians to unite is to go back to the sources and look very carefully at all of the facts. There isn’t a reason for which to take seriously another teaching of someone who preferred to leave the Church to become a leader and profit. The first protestant church – of England – was created because Henry the VIII did not have an heir – wanted to divorce and the Pope did not allow him. What a reason to start a denomination (heresy)!

    • christianclarityreview
      August 5, 2010 at 7:34 pm

      The problem you are having is the same as protestant free will based religions: you think you must see for yourself and be your own proof of these things. There is nothing in your posts about an inward witness of the Holy Spirit. It is only the expectation that you ought to think for yourself and decide these things that makes you think I have decided for myself and may have been hasty, etc.

      I most definitely did not decide for myself. God had mercy on me and showed me these things. You should fear God and depart from what he does not show you. You have a life of false piety that is built on false history. You should be aware that the Jews of Jesus’ day thought Moses would be a witness on their behalf as they did the traditions they had made up. Yet Jesus plainly tells them:

      John 5:44,45 How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and seek not the glory which comes from God alone? Think not that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one who accuses you, Moses, on whom ye trust;

      They had made up traditions based on being in the stead of Moses exactly as the ‘apostolic succession’ schemes of the Byzantines, Russian Orthodox and Romanists. Yet God as Word plainly tells them that the real Moses, not the fake Moses they had enshrined as their own power base, was a witness against them.

      As for Astarta/Diana and the other names that demon goes by, you should do that same research and see that the ‘mother and child’ were a constant theme of those pagan cults and even morphed into ‘Fatima’ of the Muslims. “The Two Babylons” is an excellent book on that very thing and can be read online for free. The Byzantines and Romanists simply took away the more brutal aspects of her worship and the ‘holy prostitute’ scenarios and ‘christianized’ her. The real Mary, as all the real saints, is in fact a witness against you, and does not receive any real prayers from God on your behalf.

      It is in truth a sad thing when brethren are divided. It is another thing completely to be deceived you are a Christian and have never been born again yet commune with spirits you assume are ‘the saints’ and then at the instigation of those demons seek fellowship with real Christians and find out, at the least, somebody is lying. The fact is only God can show you the truth and that only happens after new birth in Him by hearing Him as Word.

      1Corinthians 2:12-16 But *we* have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to us of God: which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means . But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned; but the spiritual discerns all things, and *he* is discerned of no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, who shall instruct him? But *we* have the mind of Christ.

      I find it more than ironic that it is you who assume your spirits are telling you the truth and that Calvinists cannot have the same spirit ‘and thus’ are not ‘as’ of Christ as you think you are. It is a hard thing to walk away from what you have been taught all the good people believe and see that those who taught you that are themselves deceived. After you have spent time with them and known them in worldly tribulation of a sort, then you want them to be right and their spirits in you make excuses for when you know they exaggerate or lie. But there is no excuse.

      I am diligently warning you that you are being deceived and I will ask you to take a look at all the countries who ever fell into your beliefs. What happened to them? Did they ever stand against communism or atheism? All communism and atheism did was build on the core believe of human free will and human perfectibility that was built in to free will based Christianity. It was not an accident that many Orthodox priests were known collaborators with the communism, nazis and other totalitarian regimes. They taught you the lie of free will first ..with a Christian twist. Only later did they complete the common sense of that lie and wash away even the vestige of Christianity as best they could.

      God is not limited and can save and create at any time. But when he does that to you, that is a whole new life. In that new life, God will tell you what is real and what is not. The old non-canonical books for the most part don’t pass the smell test and are either against Scripture or are corrupted. The Book of Enoch is quoted in the N.T., but a lot of it has been thrown together since from corrupted sources as anyone in Christ can see.

      Matthew 19:23-26 And Jesus said to his disciples, Verily I say unto you, A rich man shall with difficulty enter into the kingdom of the heavens; and again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to enter a needle’s eye than a rich man into the kingdom of God. And when the disciples heard it they were exceedingly astonished, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus, looking on them , said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

      timothy

      In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  6. Adi
    August 5, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    I was going to forget the Astarta part. Please check what Astarta was like, how she was represented and worshiped. Please read the life of the Mother of God, see how she is represented, what her characteristics are. Then see if there are any differences and similarities. Even without doing that, you would not expect Jesus Christ, our Savior, to have been born by any woman, no matter who she was and what her character was.
    With regard to the Saints, knowing their lives is also important, in order to be aware of the persecutions and torture the early Christians who paved the way for us suffered, who conquered Astarta and paganism by sacrificing themselves. If you have expunged that from the Faith, you are missing a lot of history.

  7. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Luke 48: Mary says: From now on all generations will call me blessed

  8. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte
    “Astarte was connected with fertility, sexuality, and war. Her symbols were the lion, the horse, the sphinx, the dove, and a star within a circle indicating the planet Venus. Pictorial representations often show her ***naked***.”
    Paganism=sex+occultism. Astarta was utter defilement and sacrilege.

    • christianclarityreview
      August 8, 2010 at 4:16 pm

      Mary was blessed and is blessed. However, she is not to be prayed to. You are blessed if you have been born again. But you are not to be prayed to. I suppose you would think it proper for the present metropolitan to say what parts of his body ought to have what powers and who gets each piece? What? Yet that is what you assume happened in ancient times with the ‘saints’. You don’t want to hear grave robbers stole bones and even internal organs of people who wanted to be at rest until Christ returns simply to use as a pagan-style amulate or charm.

      —-

      John the baptist was said by Jesus Christ to have no equal among those born of women and yet the least in the kingdom of heaven was greater than he. Mary was born of women.

      Mat 11:11 Verily I say to you, that there is not arisen among the born of women a greater than John the baptist. But he who is a little one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he.

      You think they actually have the bones of John the Baptist? If they do, do you think that’s what he wanted to happen to his own bones? Do you really think any bones have powers?

      Explain that to me –why the bones have powers. How exactly does that work? Or do you think it doesn’t matter and the only important thing is to just go along with those beliefs?

      I understand you want to believe what you have been told in the past about Mary and how you should worship her and that most of what you hear around you agrees with what you have been told. But it is a lie. There is a point where you just have to say ‘it was a lie’.

      All they did was take ‘the child and mother’ motif of many old pagan religions and apply it to the ‘christian’ doctrines –as if that could even be done. They got away with it by violence and murder and forced those beliefs on entire generations. But those beliefs were always lies, despite the decendents of those who were forced to serve a lie wanting to think that their ancestors were the most devout of persons.

      Lying priests made a system built on superstition. That is all that happened.

      Matthew 11:16-19 But to whom shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the markets, which, calling to their companions, say, We have piped to you, and ye have not danced: we have mourned to you, and ye have not wailed. For John has come neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He has a demon. The Son of man has come eating and drinking, and they say, Behold, a man that is eating and wine-drinking, a friend of tax-gatherers, and of sinners: –and wisdom has been justified by her children.

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  9. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Mary was raised in the temple as her parents had her in their old age and had promised to give their child to God. She grew up in that environment spending a lot of time in devotion on a daily basis.

  10. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Here is how we “call her blessed”:

    Mother of God and Virgin, hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast given birth to the Saviour of our souls.

    It is truly right to bless thee, O Theotokos,
    ever blessed, and most pure, and the Mother of our God.
    More honorable than the cherubim,
    and beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim.
    Without corruption thou gavest birth to God the Word.
    True Theotokos, we magnify thee.

  11. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Have you heard of magic and exorcism? When an object has belonged to someone it is connected to that person. This is why people who do magic spells dig corpses and take parts of them or use object belonging to the victim, their picture, etc.. This is true of body parts. If you have doubts about John the Baptist’s relics, I think that this is natural. Especially because after the crusaders pillaged Constantinople and stole relics, they started multiplying all over the West. Prior to that it was not the case! Can you deny that the first Christians used the corpses of the martyrs as altars? I also find it difficult to understand relics very well, but it is part of the tradition and I feel that I must accept it.
    By the way, I don’t think that Christianity would have survived over the centuries without icons and pictorial representations, simply because people were illiterate. On the other hand icons have power because they have been sanctified.
    There are also books on Christ being a bastard, on his going to India and Egypt, etc. You can read all kinds of books and believe what they say if you wish.
    But I live much closer to where Jesus was born and lived, so I claim I’m closer to the source. Where I live some of the early church councils were held. In my city there was Christianity from the very beginning. At some church’s sites, there’s been a church for almost 2000 years. I live close to them because I’m close to the city center.

    • christianclarityreview
      August 8, 2010 at 5:14 pm

      Obviously Mary has no Biblical record of “being raised in the temple.” and even if she was and it wasn’t written, so what? Samuel was actually raised in the temple and we are not to pray to Samuel either.

      In order to manufacture a mother-son pair as of the old pagan religions, they made up stories about how special she was before she was used of God to tie in with the free willed apparatus of the religion. Those stories will have to portray her as free willed and choosing good all the time as compared to the not-good within the religion and ‘that is why God used her over other women of her era’. That is nothing more than a control matrix by re-writing history.

      Mary was set apart before the world began to be used of God in the way she was used. Exactly as you are. That’s actual predestination and election and all the points of Calvinism.

      What is actually happening is that you are being reduced in your own eyes by the mere fantasist image of Mary by comparison. But you are being reduced in a false way, not as actual humility before God. If the false idealization of Mary wasn’t ideally ‘more’ than you in your own eyes, you wouldn’t be praying to her.

      And the connection to magic and witchcraft of the ‘relic’ is very plain and is what God has pointed out through the many for centuries. You are basically appealing to satanism to lend credibility to what you call Christian doctrine. I’m familiar with what is basically called the demonization of inanimate objects, a well known pagan practice of actual demons that involves the very practices they have given in the Orthodox Church and the Romanists Church as supposed piety.

      Note the work of God through Paul and the distinction between God working through Paul and those who thought to “copy Paul’s methods” as supposed piety:

      Acts 19:11-20 And God wrought no ordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even napkins or aprons were brought from his body and put upon the sick, and the diseases left them, and the wicked spirits went out. And certain of the Jewish exorcists also, who went about, took in hand to call upon those who had wicked spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus, whom Paul preaches. And there were certain men , seven sons of Sceva, Jewish high priest, who were doing this. But the wicked spirit answering said to them, Jesus I know, and Paul I am acquainted with; but *ye*, who are ye? And the man in whom the wicked spirit was leaped upon them, and having mastered both, prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who inhabited Ephesus, and fear fell upon all of them, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many of those that believed came confessing and declaring their deeds. And many of those that practised curious arts brought their books of charms and burnt them before all. And they reckoned up the prices of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. Thus with might the word of the Lord increased and prevailed.

      It is good to notice that clothes and aprons from Paul healed the sick by the power of God and that by comparison, those involved in magic and false exorcism burned their books when seeing the actual power of what they had been seeking and knowing their magic was worthless. It is not good to start stripping the dead of their bones to perpetuate a false religion build on mystery and supposed free willed copy-catting or to think those clothes and aprons need to be enshrined. The premise of you being a Christian is that the same power of the same God dwells in you and you have no need of ancient aprons or clothes.

      Act 19:23-28 And there took place at that time no small disturbance about the way. For a certain man by name Demetrius, a silver-beater, making silver temples of Artemis, brought no small gain to the artisans; whom having brought together, and those who wrought in such things, he said, Men, ye know that our well-living arises from this work, and ye see and hear that this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great crowd, not only of Ephesus, but almost of all Asia, saying that they are no gods which are made with hands. Now not only there is danger for us that our business come into discredit, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis be counted for nothing, and that her greatness should be destroyed whom the whole of Asia and the world reveres. And having heard this , and being filled with rage, they cried out, saying, Great is Artemis of the Ephesians.

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  12. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 5:26 pm
  13. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com0709.htm
    One of the most ancient practices of the Church is the veneration of relics of the Saints. The bodies of the early Christian martyrs killed in the arena or by the government were carefully cared for. When entombed in an above-ground sarcophagus, example of which which can be seen all along the Appian Way outside of Rome, the sarcophagus became an altar for the celebration of Holy Mass. To this day, altars for the Traditional Latin Mass must have the relic of a Saint embedded in them, or a Roman antimensium with relics sewn in, for placement under the corporal. The New Order, of course, rejects this ancient Catholic practice and uses a relic-less dinner table — and that is true of “Motu” Messes as well.

  14. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    What you are saying is nothing new. What if you have fallen prey to cinicism, doubt and unbelief?

    • christianclarityreview and
      August 9, 2010 at 12:39 am

      the ancient church you speak of is the ancient deception of Satan. No true Christian has ever needed an altar of bones or the mass though that deception has gone on for thousands of years. Granted, the Byzantines and the Catholics have been doing that for centuries and calling it Christian. But it is just plain paganism.

      To even ask if I have fallen prey to cynicism, doubt and unbelief assumes that the actual presence of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit does not live in me and is to assume I am my own witness as a default state of existing at all. I perfectly understand that it is the natural assumption of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics that God can’t live in you. You can’t have free will if God lives in you and does as He pleases. Without the lie of free will, they would not even exist as institutions. In order to have a need for a priest class, they supposedly dole out a God in the wafer and the wine that somehow never interferes with your supposed free will ..he doesn’t do as He pleases, he leaves that all up to you per the paradigm of free will. So any doctrine or history you are seduced to desire you are left to figure out with various proofs offered by what seems like sincere people. You never suspected that that an emotional common sense came with that deception that prohibits you feeling through it and recognizing a liar, even as a human being. So even the sincerity you see in the priest is manufactured expressly to keep you in the ceremony and thus necessitate the priest ..in addition to not even bringing you to Christ. You have to be born again and be a new creature –a non-metaphorical new being in Christ right now– to actually see through what they have been telling you. Yet they say they are the authority that says whether or not you are a ‘Christian’.ly

      True Christian leadership is to lead people to Christ -not ourselves. The last thing God would ever do through us is cause us to supposed need each other in a hierarchy of personal control that manufactures layers of authority through which the babe in Christ must ascend to even get to God Himself. To be a true Christian is to have Christ already and to have the Holy Spirit. That presence is the only Real Presence and stays with us always, even forever.

      The reality is that God indeed lives in me and shows me the truth while you assume that because according to the doctrine that necessitates priests, God does not live in you, that means you have free will and can decided things for yourself and you assume I am the same as you. What you are saying is the classic free will defense ..as if free will existed it was the basis from which we reason or understand anything.

      It is very simple to understand only after you have been born again. But it is always a hard thing to see through the deceptions parents and family have labored under for generations. Not that it is hard to see after new birth, but the hard consequences divide us from our loved ones for a time, even perhaps forever and we become strange to former friends and relations.

      But the reality is; follow God or follow lies. Only God can do the truth through us.

      2 Corinthians 13:3-9 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, (who is not weak towards you, but is powerful among you, for if indeed he has been crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God’s power; for indeed *we* are weak in him, but we shall live with him by God’s power towards you,) examine your own selves if ye be in the faith; prove your own selves: do ye not recognise yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you, unless indeed ye be reprobates? Now I hope that ye will know that *we* are not reprobates. But we pray to God that ye may do nothing evil; not that *we* may appear approved, but that *ye* may do what is right, and *we* be as reprobates. For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. For we rejoice when *we* may be weak and *ye* may be powerful. But this also we pray for, your perfecting.

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  15. Adi
    August 8, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    I don’t think that I will write anything else here. I just wanted to give another point of view. I have not been convinced at all, of course, but have other things to do.
    http://goarch.org/
    http://www.oca.org/
    Here are a couple of sites for anybody interested in learning more about the Orthodox Church.
    I still respect you for your faith and consider you a brother in Christ.

  16. Adi
    August 15, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Today is the Dormition of the Theotokos. Here is more about Her, I wonder how this can have anything to do with paganism. I’d think it’s the exact opposite.
    http://goarch.org/chapel/saints_view?contentid=165

    Concerning the Dormition of the Theotokos, this is what the Church has received from ancient times from the tradition of the Fathers. When the time drew nigh that our Savior was well-pleased to take His Mother to Himself, He declared unto her through an Angel that three days hence, He would translate her from this temporal life to eternity and bliss. On hearing this, she went up with haste to the Mount of Olives, where she prayed continuously. Giving thanks to God, she returned to her house and prepared whatever was necessary for her burial. While these things were taking place, clouds caught up the Apostles from the ends of the earth, where each one happened to be preaching, and brought them at once to the house of the Mother of God, who informed them of the cause of their sudden gathering. As a mother, she consoled them in their affliction as was meet, and then raised her hands to Heaven and prayed for the peace of the world. She blessed the Apostles, and, reclining upon her bed with seemliness, gave up her all-holy spirit into the hands of her Son and God.

    With reverence and many lights, and chanting burial hymns, the Apostles took up that God-receiving body and brought it to the sepulcher, while the Angels from Heaven chanted with them, and sent forth her who is higher than the Cherubim. But one Jew, moved by malice, audaciously stretched forth his hand upon the bed and immediately received from divine judgment the wages of his audacity. Those daring hands were severed by an invisible blow. But when he repented and asked forgiveness, his hands were restored. When they had reached the place called Gethsemane, they buried there with honor the all-immaculate body of the Theotokos, which was the source of Life. But on the third day after the burial, when they were eating together, and raised up the artos (bread) in Jesus’ Name, as was their custom, the Theotokos appeared in the air, saying “Rejoice” to them. From this they learned concerning the bodily translation of the Theotokos into the Heavens.

    These things has the Church received from the traditions of the Fathers, who have composed many hymns out of reverence, to the glory of the Mother of our God (see Oct. 3 and 4).

    • christianclarityreview
      August 15, 2010 at 9:52 pm

      Read what you posted again.

      “The people we said approved what we do” ..did this and that ceremony we say you ought to do to prove you are pious and if you don’t we will say you are not pious.

      They “did all the rituals we say you need to do” and ‘did them joyously’ thank you very much.

      In that one post the heresy is rampant. “they buried there with honor the all-immaculate body of the Theotokos, which was the source of Life”

      They buried the ‘Source of Life’? How exactly did it happen that the ‘Source of Life’ died? Why was she not able to resurrect herself?

      Any real Christian immediately sees through the sheer amount of lies compounded to make out that Mary is above Christ or even equal with Christ. She is in truth no more than a new creature in Jesus Christ, less than the apostles and had to be born again herself in Jesus Christ the Son and Word of God. That is a blessing and she is blessed. All the worship speech and supposed holy adjectives added around her implied names are just theater and extremely cheap theater at that to empower a kind of churchy feminism that is identical with what was attempted for Astarte / Diana.

      1Corinthians 2:16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, who shall instruct him? But *we* have the mind of Christ.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  17. Adi
    August 15, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    As I explained to you the Bible has no more validity than the tradition because the same people created and approved them.

    • christianclarityreview
      August 15, 2010 at 9:03 pm

      I am actually glad you said that. That proves an outlook on reality that can only come from those not in Christ. If you were actually born again, then you would know the difference between the Word of God and the speech, not to mention the will, of Satan and men.

      First, the sons of Belial teach you that you have free will as the default state of existence. Then they say the will is the means to salvation in Jesus Christ: personal choice. Only later do they undermine the very ‘faith’ they instilled by pointing out that if anyone even has partial free will, that means those that translated the Bible had to have mixed their free will ( and thus an implied mistake-prone part of themselves) in with the translation. Thus by the very means they built the false faith, they have overthrown it, yet run a campaign the whole time to claim it was the sole faith of Jesus Christ. It has never been anything but theater and lies. I have plainly told you that.

      God specifically says the will of man has nothing to do with new birth:

      John 1:12,13 but as many as received him, to them gave he the right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name; who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh’s will, nor of man’s will, but of God.

      and God Says that those through whom God wrote the Bible and preserved it as copying it were in fact moved to do so beyond their own control of their own will, thus removing the idealized “mistake prone zone” of Satan’s ideal pious human:

      Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you both the willing and the working according to his good pleasure.

      Of course, Satan’s game as false Christiantiy is to honor God in name only. So at the least Satan has to say God has honest purposes and then lies about “God trying to accomplish those purposes through the free will of man”. But God accomplishes His purposes, namely to deliver to us Himself as Word/Christ and salvation, even as Scripture, accurately, on time and so plain as to be unable to be confused except by a liar.

      So all the appeals to the supposed weakness of human effort are of no avail against true faith in Jesus Christ.

      In short, they lied to you. God is not impossible to know or understand ‘because you have free will”. You don’t have free will and God is exactly as he has stated Himself to be. There is no mistake. There is no room for error or wiggle room to say “I don’t understand.” or “No one can understand.” as Satan claims.

      Only the mind of Satan could have written what you wrote. Yet he is not you. But as a fallen human being, you have his speech and the common sense of it. Satan and Belial are the spirit that works in the sons of disobedience. In Christ I tell you plainly:

      1Corinthians 2:12-16 But *we* have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to us of God: which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means . But the NATURAL MAN

        does not receive

      the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he CANNOT know them because they are spiritually discerned; but the spiritual discerns all things, and *he* is discerned of no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, who shall instruct him? But *we* have the mind of Christ.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  18. Adi
    August 18, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Love God. Love thy neighbor.

  19. Adi
    August 18, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Who ever has never sinned, let him throw the first stone

  20. Adi
    August 18, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    How are you so sure in what you’ve been saying???

    • christianclarityreview
      August 18, 2010 at 2:19 pm

      I am sure of what I say because the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwell in me. I am not my own witness and I have the mind of Christ. They lied to you when they told you that it would be sufficient to have yourself as a witness and a lot of other people who were their own witnesses agreeing with you on doctrine. In order to keep telling you that you had free will, they had to say God would live in you later, but not in this life. They either said it plainly or by implication. They are not Christians if God does not live in them right now. There is no such thing as a Christian in whom God does not dwell right now but thinks they will earn or get God later if they do certain ceremonies and works.

      Loving you is telling you the truth no matter what. Even true friendship among men is argumentation to a large extent. True friendship and love is not being a yes-person. There is nothing in the Bible that says telling people their sins automatically makes them your friend. Quite the contrary: God says the vast majority will hate you for it. So be it.

      “let him who is without sin throw the first stone” type comments work among free willers becuase they quote God but not in Christ. But among real new creatures in Jesus Christ, who cannot sin as new creature yet live in a corrupt flesh that can do nothing except sin there is a stuggle between flesh and spirit that God wins:

      1John 3:9 ,10 Whoever has been begotten of God does not practise sin, because his seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God. In this are manifest the children of God and the children of the devil. Whoever does not practise righteousness is not of God, and he who does not love his brother.

      and

      Act 4:19,20 But Peter and John answering said to them, If it be righteous before God to listen to you rather than to God, judge ye; for as for us *we* cannot refrain from speaking of the things which we have seen and heard.

      1. God will through us what he does through us . There is no free will.
      2. The type of comments you have posted today are standard among those who tacitly know God is not in any of them and they are all just playing at religion anyway.
      3. Jesus Christ is real. New birth is real. Christ living through you is real. Everything else is worthless, even dangerous, superstition.

      It is a common theme throughout the literature of the world in which a son or daughter is raised by a servant who turns the child against the Father by the means of instilling alternative ‘love’. The ‘love’ instilled is not the love from/of God. But God can overcome such maneuvers.

      1John 4:17-20 Herein has love been perfected with us that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, that even as *he* is, *we* also are

        in this world.

      There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has torment, and he that fears has not been made perfect in love. *We* love because *he* has first loved us. If any one say, I love God, and hate his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  21. Adi
    August 18, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    You know, I am very a well-traveled person. It happens that I’ve met people of different denominations witnessing and claiming to have the Holy Spirit, etc, even in my family. I get to see such people very often when I go to church. I am not a fundamentalist type of person, so I do not assume that they are crazy or lying if they are not Orthodox, although I have some doubts. I myself have had Holy Spirit experiences. Perhaps all of us do, it is hard for me to tell. For the Orthodox Church there are countless witnesses since ancient times, and of course these days as well. I used to be of a different denomination but the Orthodox spirituality is closest to my heart and spirit. Once St. John of Kronshtadt was asked if Catholics could save themselves. He said “Perhaps, but if I were I Catholic I could not.”
    But I don’t think it is very civil to call everything different ‘satanic’.
    I’ve met Protestant pastors and people who became Orthodox priests or members of the Church, but have not heard of the opposite happening.
    It makes no sense to me, even from a purely Biblical perspective, to believe in predestination, except in restricted way – then I see evidence in the Bible. But pure predestination is impossible to ground in the Scriptures.
    Since you are so “Scriptural” and the scriptures say all generations will bless the Mother of our Lord, you should at least do that. She is not equal to God but closest to God. Which is very different from what you claim. In the Orthodox Church there is no doctrine of her own immaculate conception. With her, finally there was a woman who was pure enough to become the mother of the Son of God. From that perspective she saved us from the original sin, unlike Eve who dragged us into it.
    I think you have many wrong ideas, such as how bad life in Orthodox countries is. There are many problems, but they are reasonably good places to live. The country I live in is among the top 40 countries to live in the world according to some recent American rankings.
    You told me my way of thinking was challenged, but perhaps yours was. And so on. I did not mention such things before out of politeness. Because it hurts me to hurt others. It makes no sense. Also if someone keeps throwing things at me without taking any hints it does not seem to be possible to have any real communication (dialogue).
    The predestination doctrine might be dangerous, because someone may feel that he is superior to others by birth and feel justified in his arrogance or worse manifestations.
    The only thing that could prove anything to me are hard facts. Historically grounded facts. The Astarta comparison, for example, is obviously absurd. I suppose you did not know what you were talking about.

  22. christianclarityreview
    August 18, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    It is precisely at this time in the dialogue to point out an extreme hardness of heart you have. The pretense of that spirit in your flesh is that being rude, in and of itself, is evidence of false doctrine and that very rudeness is a thing to be measured by the doctrine in question. You have not ‘hinted’ at the emotional manipulation you seek to instill, you have overtly tried it throughout and now in a classic move, have sought to pretend I was the one doing the manipulating. In fact, you have complained because I am, in your mind, a little too straight forward and you like to teach me your emotional rules as manners.

    Your summation of predestination as dangerous is too absurd to take on face value even if God were not in me as witness to the truth of predestination. Predestination and election are only dangerous to teachers of false doctrine as it exposes them as liars. I suppose it your thoughts that someone who is told they are smart enough and powerful enough to pick and choose who God is or isn’t and after that, if they will serve Him or not, and after that, which particular ways they will serve him and after that on what occasions they will serve Him in those particular doctrines ..are more humble than those to whom God reveals Himself because he chose them and they did not choose Him because they were unable to do so? What?

    By the time a person is deceived they have free will to choose who God is and isn’t, when they will serve Him, how they will serve Him and all other aspects of their life in any given instant, that person is so vain and so proud of their own supposed intellect and prowess to discern truth from lies, they literally become monstrous. They will literally go to war to protect what they call that very freedom of will as if it actually existed and do engage in warfare, even against their own families as the natural state of their existence.

    There are very many people deceived they have free will. I have no doubt at all that many so-called protestants move over to the Orthodox religion because it is simply a more ceremonial version of what they were already living within a lie of free will. On the one hand they are vain and proud to tell God how life ought to be and construct a religion out of their own thoughts, and on the other, they want to be told exactly what to do in every aspect of their lives so that a works-based salvation can supposedly be assured and measured by some standard that has the aura of being time tested. What you would call “historical facts” are in truth nothing more than the witness that a lot of people have been deceived before we arrived on this earth. Islamics can claim a mere historicity to their lies. But that proves none of them truth, only that people of yesterday were as easily decieved as those of today. Under no circumstances would such a person leave that works-based effort except by being forcibly born again by God against their will, like every other new creature in Jesus Christ. But to say that never happens is more than a stretch. God saves people from many false religions no matter their sincerity in those false doctrines.

    Abram was an idol worshiper before God called Him to be Abraham. What are the odds they made him a Somebody in that old religion he was in when they heard how God blessed him? Don’t you think they tried to claim “God picked him because of what we taught him”? That is a very ancient technique of Satan.

    Whatever and whoever is not in Christ is in Satan. It is that simple. There is no in-between.

    The Mary worship is equally such a lie. It is in fact grounded on ancient worship of the mother-and-child motif. You have even implied in your post that God chose Mary only after Mary chose God …”With her, finally there was a woman who was pure enough to become the mother of the Son of God. From that perspective she saved us from the original sin, unlike Eve who dragged us into it.” ..which in fact deifies Mary PRIOR to being used of God, which is plain Astarte/Goddess worship in the lie of human free will, in addition to overt feminism.

    The real Mary is blessed. I have no problem with that. But to make out her blessing was more than other new creatures in Jesus Christ simply because it was unique is of Satan, in addition to it being of Satan to imply is a go-between in prayer to God or that doing homage to her is worship of God.

    The Holy Spirit lives in us all the time and without ‘ecstatic experiences’. It is the normal course of eternal life. I would doubt you had a ‘Holy Spirit experience’. Perhaps you are appealing to a stereo-type of Pentecostalism / ‘holy rollers’ that has nothing to do with Calvinism/new creature in Jesus Christ and which God has exposed through me and many others as outright lies on a par with Eastern Orthodox ceremonial-ism and superstition.

    You may be affluent or not. What has that to do with being a Christian? It is the lie of free will that destroys you by setting you against yourselves no matter how much substance you have because it is a non-creating mindset that thrives on pride of accumulation in the midst of an idealized total environment of scarcity. The ideology will destroy plenty simply to induce scarcity as a ‘historical fact’ to make itself look valid.

    1John 4:13 Hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, that he has given to us of his Spirit.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  23. christianclarityreview
    August 18, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    I suppose it a thought you have that no one would ‘be’ my religion unless they liked me. So simply telling you the truth, no matter what, doesn’t make sense to you. After all, if people have free will, they have to choose religion and that is buying an emotional and intellectual product. What sort of salesperson/priest would make people angry by “throwing things at them” and then expect to win a convert?

    No one. I’m not looking for such converts. It is new birth in Jesus Christ and maturity in that non-metaphorical new birth that I seek for all I may encounter and to whom I am sent.

    My expectation and hope is in the power of the Word of God alone. You don’t have free will and I am not appealing to it at all. Not by subtlety or guile or plainly; not in or out of any emotional context you may or may not have. If you can’t hear, then ..there you are.

    1 Corinthians 2:12,13 But *we* have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we may know the things which have been freely given to us of God: which also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, communicating spiritual things by spiritual means.

    Zec 1:6 But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not overtake your fathers? And they turned and said, Like as Jehovah of hosts thought to do unto us, according to our ways and according to our doings, so hath he dealt with us.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  24. Adi
    August 19, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    🙂

  25. Adi
    August 19, 2010 at 6:31 pm

  26. Adi
    August 19, 2010 at 6:46 pm

  27. Adi
    August 19, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    We don’t worship the Icon or the saints depicted in the Icon we Venerate the Icon since the Icon is a window into heaven to the prototype depicted on the icon. As Orthodox Christian we only worship the Holy Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    We honor the saints and recognize that they lived holy lives, and as such, ask that they intercede on our behalf to enhance communication with God himself. We can worship God through the saints, but we cannot worship the saints.

  28. christianclarityreview
    August 19, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    If God lives in you, as the Scriptures say of all true Christians, and as I am witness myself, because He lives in me, in what way do you need your communication with God enhanced if you are one with Him?

    What you are being led to do is necromancy, pure and simple and to denigrate the Spirit of Christ in you as insufficent.

    God killed King Saul for wanting to talk to Samuel after Samuel died. That is expressly what you and your teachers are saying is required religious behavior.

    1Samuel 15:22,23 And Samuel said, Has Jehovah delight in burnt-offerings and sacrifices, As in hearkening to the voice of Jehovah? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, Attention than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And selfwill is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of Jehovah, He hath also rejected thee from being king.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  29. Adi
    August 21, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Here are a few passages from the New Testament that came to my mind regarding who’s dead and who’s alive and the treatment of the dead in the Bible. Perhaps you’ll reconsider your necromancy hypothesis.
    John 8:12
    Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of LIFE.”
    Luke 9:60
    But He said to him, “Allow the dead to bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim everywhere the kingdom of God.”
    Luke 22-31
    22“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,c where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
    25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
    27“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
    29“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
    30“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
    Matthew 14:26
    When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.
    Matthew 17:3
    And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him.
    Matthew 27:52-3
    52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
    31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

  30. christianclarityreview
    August 22, 2010 at 12:14 am

    God is indeed a God of the living. But those to whom you pray are dead, because it is not permitted by God to go through intermediaries. He sends Himself as Word and prays through us. Saying that the true saints are alive in heaven does not change the character of the necromancy going on in the Roman and Orthodox churches.

    This is the only true prayer:

    Romans 8:26 And in like manner the Spirit joins also its help to our weakness; for we do not know what we should pray for as is fitting, but the Spirit itself makes intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered. But he who searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he intercedes for saints according to God.

    Here is a good complete treatment of prayer and being deceived you have free will in prayer and what that leads to:

    English:

    Russian:

    Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who against us?

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  31. Adi
    August 22, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Even if there were some truth in what you are saying, you are too unilateral, in my eyes, ignoring many things and making such unilateral, not well-grounded claims. I think it is a matter of our salvation, an extremely serious matter.
    I think you give too much weight to the Old Testament, on the one hand, on the other you take things out of context and interpret them as it pleases you.
    In exegesis you can prove anything you want, in any text, but then, there is some common sense. For example, as far as I remember Saul used some kind of a medium, which is forbidden to us. It is very different from asking a prophet or praying to God or asking one of his saints for help. If you do voodoo it’s wrong, but if you do Christian things it is not.

  32. Adi
    August 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    About prayer, I think that it is normal to both pray as you feel in your hearth and use other prayers which were created by others. For example, Jesus taught us the prayer “Our Father” and told us to use it. I think that many old prayers teach us a lot about the faith and help us on the path to our salvation. On the other hand, it is very natural to create our own prayers.
    The Liturgy and many of those prayers have such spiritual beauty, that I feel they are a proof of the existence of God.
    In the Orthodox church we do not have any obligatory prayers, but we should pray every morning and evening and at mealtimes. There are some general guidelines, such as to say separate prayers to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    I hope you understand that I am spending time to write all this because of your salvation and that of others who’ll happen to read your article.

  33. Adi
    August 22, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    But of course, when you use old prayers, you pick the ones you like. However Our father, and the Symbol of the Faith (creed), for example, are too fundamental to neglect. Also Hail Mary is based on the Biblical text and some of the Psalms are very useful, and it would seem unnatural to me to not use them at all.

    • christianclarityreview
      August 22, 2010 at 10:14 pm

      You cannot worry over my salvation. Christ is the only witness to my true self and new creation. You cannot be such a witness unless God shows it to you. But you are so distracted by superstition and false prayers how could you know? In order to grant legitimacy to your superstitions you must denigrate Christ at some point. And so you do, presuming to place Mary in a pantheon of ‘God’ and having as your fundamental piety to distract others in that same manner.

      No one can interpret the Scriptures. Not in actual fact. The lie that anyone can is based on the lie of human free will and presuming to imply that God and Satan have the same speech; that there is only non-creating speech in total reality and in that one supposed meta speech you have the freedom to pick and create meaning. But to so presume is the unforgivable sin: it equates the Holy Spirit with the spirit of Satan and demons as language.

      But that is why all the elect must be born again: the unforgivable sin is indeed unforgivable ..for that creature. When that creature is born again as a new creature in Jesus Christ, there is no more condemnation.

      You do not get to make up prayers as you go. As is pointed out in the slideshows, you will only end up giving to God as prayer whatever ideological emergency Satan can make up in the moment either on the behalf of yourself or of others. If Satan can blow a fog of lies around you that center on not eating candy as pious behavior, you will only pray for yourself and others to not eat candy. Your prayers are made ineffective and useless ..and God actually hears all that in anger.

      Therefore God sends to us what is needed to be prayed for and prays them through us, thus delivering us from ideologically manipulated prayer and thoughts and keeping us in Him and our minds and hearts stayed in eternal things that others around us need. Instead, your method of prayers from various eras or just saying what pops into your heart would ask as favor from God what is in reality great sins of clever theological double-speak that you have no business praying but are a result of being deceived. In addition, when you pray for your enemies, you will not get true spiritual intelligence about what they need and therefore know them very well, but will only pray for them what you imagine you need yourself or for various false blessings that parse out to “what sick people need”, “what poor people need”, “what soldiers need”, “what a doctor needs”, or such modern ideological prayers as “what people who hate other people need”, etc. Do you not know that many poor people pray in exactly such a method that their friend can get the money for an abortion, or for birth control pills?

      You may have good intentions. But without God directly giving us himself as pray and praise, there is no real prayer or praise, despite the warm glow deceived people get when doing mere tradition.

      There is no such thing as weaving pagan practices into Christianity. Trying to is simple heresy; not unity. Your charity has been turned to paganism. Hail Mary is not based on any Biblical text. The only way you could think it was and teach as much is after human philosophy has swept through your congregation and diminished Scripture in their eyes to the same speech as Satan and demons as non-creating, non-Logos, non-Christ and the same ‘text’ as a novel or newspaper. You have to do the unforgivable sin as default religious behavior to keep saying what you are saying as religious speech.

      Revelation 22:11 Let him that does unrighteously do unrighteously still; and let the filthy make himself filthy still; and let him that is righteous practise righteousness still; and he that is holy, let him be sanctified still.

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  34. Adi
    August 23, 2010 at 8:54 am

    This is just an instance among countless
    http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/a-strange-miracle-of-saint-nicholas.pdf
    A STRANGE MIRACLE OF SAINT NICHOLAS
    A true incident which shocked and brought repentance
    to hundreds of people in the Russian Soviet city of
    Kuibyshev (modern day Samara), in the year 1956.
    In the city of Kuibyshev there lived a family: a pious mother and her
    daughter Zoë. On the evening of New Years Eve (December 31) of 1956
    Zoë invited seven of her girlfriends – and just as many young men – over
    for dinner and dancing. At that time it was the fast for Christmas∗ and
    Zoë’s mother begged her not to plan a dinner, but the daughter insisted
    on having things her way. That same evening her mother went to church
    to pray.
    All those invited came over, except for Zoë’s fiancé who hadn’t arrived
    yet. His name was Nicholas. The young ladies and the boys got in pairs
    and Zoë was left alone. Not knowing what to do and without really
    thinking, she took down the icon of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker from
    the wall and said, “I’ll take this Nicholas and I’ll go dance with them,” not
    paying any attention to her friends, who advised her not to commit such
    a blasphemous act. “If God exists, let Him punish me,” she said.
    And so she started to dance, did two or three twirls, when all of
    sudden there was a fearful noise in the room, a whirlwind, and a blinding
    light flashed like lightening.
    The former joy turned into fright. Everyone fled from the room scared.
    Only Zoë stood there motionless, with the icon of St. Nicholas stuck to
    her chest, petrified and frozen like marble. The doctors, who arrived
    quickly, were not able to bring her to her senses in spite of their
    attempts. The injection needles, which they tried to stick in her, bent and
    broke as they hit her marbleized body! They wanted to take her to the
    hospital, but were unable to move her from her spot. It was as if her feet
    were nailed to the floor. But her heart was beating! Zoë was alive.
    However, she was no longer able to eat or drink…
    When her mother came back and saw what had happened, she fell
    unconscious and they took her to the hospital, which she didn’t leave
    from for a few days. Her faith in the compassion of God and her warm
    motherly prayers for the forgiveness of her unfortunate daughter, by the
    Grace of God, restored her vitality.
    Zoë came to consciousness and with tears she sought forgiveness and
    help.
    ∗ In Russia the feasts follow the Old Calendar. The Christmas fast lasts from November 28 until January 6
    of the following year.
    Zoë’s house was surrounded by a crowd of people for the first few
    days, faithful who came or, even yet, walked from afar: the curious,
    doctors, and spiritual personalities. But according to an order from the
    authorities, the house was quickly closed to visitors. There were always
    two policemen guarding the house, in alternating eight-hour shifts. Some
    of the guards’ hair turned white, even though they were still young
    (28-30), from the fright of hearing the terrifying cries that Zoë made
    every night.
    Night after night her mother was next to her praying.
    “Mama, pray! Pray, because I’m lost on account of my sins! Pray!” Zoë
    would cry out.
    Because of all the things that were happening they even informed the
    Patriarch and asked him to pray for Zoë’s recovery. The Patriarch replied,
    “The one who is punishing her will also have mercy on her!”
    From then on, among those who were allowed to visit Zoë were:
    1. A professor of medicine of high prestige who came from Moscow.
    He had confirmed that her heart did not stop beating.
    2. Priests, who the mother had invited in order to take St. Nicholas out
    of Zoë’s hands. But neither were they able to pull the icon away from
    Zoë’s petrified hands.
    3. The Hieromonk Seraphim from the Glinsk desert, who had come to
    Kuibyshev for the feast of the Nativity, performed the Holy Water service
    and had blessed the icon. Afterwards he said, “Now we must wait for
    some sign at Pascha! If nothing happens, it means that the end of the
    world is drawing near!” showing by these words his deep faith in
    miracles.
    4. The Metropolitan Nicholas, who also read the Paraklesis and said,
    “We must wait till Pascha for a new miracle,” repeating the saying of the
    pious hieromonk.
    On the eve of the feast of the Annunciation (which that year fell on the
    Saturday of the third week of Great Lent) some genial elder approached
    the guards and asked them to allow him to see Zoë. But the police guards
    refused to allow it. The elder came again the following day, but neither
    did those guards allow him. The third time, on the day of the
    Annunciation, the guards allowed him in. They heard with how much
    compassion he spoke to Zoë as he entered, “Now then, did you get tired
    from standing?”
    A little time passed and when the guards wanted to kick the elder out,
    he wasn’t to be found in the room…
    Everyone was sure that it was Saint Nicholas himself. Thus, Zoë had
    stayed there standing for exactly 4 months (128 days) until Pascha, which
    that year had fallen on April 23 (May 6 on the new calendar).
    On the night of the Glorious Resurrection of Christ Zoë started to cry
    out especially loud: “Pray!”
    The nightshift guards started to tremble and asked, “Why are you
    crying out so frightfully?” Pay attention to her answer. “How dreadful, the
    earth is burning! Pray! The whole world is lost because of its sins, pray!”
    From that moment Zoë was revived, her muscles started to become
    soft; she came back to life. They eventually put her on a mattress but she
    continued to cry out and call all to pray for the world which is lost
    because of its sins, for the earth which is burning because of its
    lawlessness.
    “How did you stay living up till now? Who feed you?” they asked her.
    “Doves, doves fed me” was her answer. From this it was apparent that
    she had received mercy and forgiveness from the Right hand of the Lord
    Almighty. The Lord forgave Zoë’s sins, by the attendance of St. Nicholas
    the Wonderworker, and because of her great tribulations and her
    standing for the duration of 128 days.
    All of these events shocked the inhabitants of Kuibyshev and the
    surrounding areas. Many people again found their faith in God, having
    seen the miracles, hearing her screams and her entreaties for us to pray
    for the people who are lost on account of their sins. They returned to the
    Church with repentance. Those who didn’t wear a cross started to wear
    one, when at that time you might have paid with your life just for that.
    The return was so en masse that the churches didn’t have enough little
    crosses for everyone who sought one.
    With fear and tears the people sought forgiveness for their sins,
    repeating Zoë’s words, “How dreadful, the earth is burning, we are lost
    because of our sins! Pray! The people are lost because of their
    lawlessness!”
    On the third day of Pascha Zoë left for the Lord, since she had traveled
    the difficult road of standing for 128 days before the face of the Lord for
    the forgiveness of all of her sins. The Holy Spirit had preserved her life all
    of these days for the resurrection of her soul from the death of sin, just
    as in that eternal day to come it will resurrect her bodily for life
    everlasting; for that matter, just as her name itself means: Zoë.
    Note (from the Russian original): In the Soviet press of that time
    period Zoë’s incident was brought up. Answering the letters that came to
    the management of a well-known newspaper, one haughty scientist
    claimed that the occurrence with Zoë is really not that incredible, but he
    declared that it is one form of muscular rigidity still unknown to science.
    This falsehood of such a hypothesis is apparent, seeing that: First, with
    rigidity such a petrified hardness of the skin does not occur, so much so
    that the doctors are not able to inject the sick. Second, a person infected
    4
    by such a sickness can be moved from one place to another, while they
    were not able to move Zoë; she was standing up straight definitely much
    longer than average people can. Third, a sickness by itself does not
    return a person to God and does not bring revelations from Heaven.
    While in Zoë’s case, not only thousands found their faith again in God,
    but they showed their faith in deed, that is, they were baptized and lived
    morally. Not only did they believe that God exists, but they became
    Christians. From this it is clear that we are not talking about some simple
    illness, but about divine economy. He [God] truly makes fast the faith, to
    deliver people from their sins and from punishment because of them.
    There’s a documentary in Russian I’ve watched on YouTube

  35. christianclarityreview
    August 23, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    128 days? As much as that? Sinners all over the world are saved by the grace of God by being instantly born again. But this girl had to stand in one place for 128 days, in 1956, not to be born again, but to simply demonstrate an Orthodox Church point about being pious without being born again?

    Adi, does that make sense?

    What you have actually done is to post examples that most people who read this article would never have seen without you. Everyone I personally know, and most people in the world, on a certain level think no one really believes what the original article we are talking about on this blog points out as false belief. They think its a straw man I just made up and has nothing to do with reality. Yet you have proved, beyond any doubt that not only are people ensnared by that spirit, but that other people, like you for instance, go around ensnaring them as your default religious activity.

    Not only do you not have faith in Jesus Christ, and are dependent on made-up Big Emotional Moments to prove your notion of reality is true to other people, you want other people to be deceived that such things happen so they can be surprised and that surprise be the start of what you call faith. No new birth in Jesus Christ occurs. Just the occasional startling moment for Fallen Man and bam! they get faith?

    If the story does not exist to instill faith, then what is its point? Why speak the gospel of Jesus Christ if a mere story will do? Why make the documentary? What you are doing is making up a reason to not speak the gospel. Yet it won’t be five minutes and you will be saying “Calvinism thwarts the gospel”, just like all the other people who are deceived ‘getting saved’ is an act of will of men and that the will needs a little help by shouting and jumping around and false miracles. You should not at all think you are the only ones who do the ‘miracle’ angle. There are plenty of false protestants in that very business.

    Hurricanes and volcanoes are actual acts of God and yet no one –no one– gains faith as being born again through witnessing them or going through them personally. We are born again SOLELY by hearing the Word of God.

    If acts of God that everyone sees and knows truly take place all the time all over the world, and no one gains faith as new birth in Jesus Christ through them, then how do they gain faith through supposed private events such as you say happened, particularly those in private that espouse ceremonial piety for a particular set of priests?

    We see plainly that faith is a gift of God, not the result of being startled or scared, even for 128 days or being on the edge of a volcano that blew while someone was standing there. Faith is the reception of the spirit of Christ in new birth in Jesus Christ. Why is it that some people get new birth when they cannot expect it because the natural man can know nothing of it prior to receiving new life in Christ and yet according to you, some people ‘got faith’ seeing an event that did not change them at all as a fundamental being?

    In the end, you have an outlook that denies new birth in Jesus Christ, has no Logos/Word of God that is separate and distinct from Satanic or human speech, certainly no Word of God that creates what He Says, no Word of God in flesh, no Resurrection, no cross, no reason for a cross and the death of the Word of God in flesh, and thus your common sense approach to religion is not dependent on God at all but only your own incredulity and by extension provoking as much a possible the credulity of others.

    You are in a cult that has no actual Spirit of Christ in it. That is a hard thing to face. Yet it is true.

    I ask you, why was it necessary for the Word of God to die? God died for our sins. But why the death of the WORD of God in particular? Why didn’t God manifest Himself in flesh as the Love of God? Why not the Spirit of God? Why not the Understanding of God?

    Why do we need to be new creatures at all? What is the point?

    In short, what is going on that necessitates Christianity as the action of God toward man?

    You have no religion that answers the necessity of or even comes close to DOING that. Instead you have ‘miracles’ for ‘miracles’ sake and ceremony for ceremony sake. Lots of pagan religions are somewhat moral yet not a morality that saves them from the coming wrath of God. At best, their morality is your morality: a pretense of getting along with each other and calling that the highest good and the ceremony is simply to decorate the ideal rules of behavior with something a fallen man or woman would see as authoritative or beautiful. And what you are pointing out is that your beliefs, to a great extent, are the only thing those countries in which those beliefs have taken root, are the only thing those people have to fall back on when evil comes. Which means they have nothing to fall back.

    That in itself constitutes an emergency in Christ you cannot solve.

    James 1:16-18 Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from above, from the Father of lights, with whom is no variation nor shadow of turning. According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of *his* creatures.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  36. Adi
    August 23, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    I gave facts for anyone to interpret as they wish. At this point this is the style I find appropriate for myself.

  37. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 7:53 am

    Timothy,
    Please read Mark 3, as it is a chapter that specifically deals with miracles and those who don’t believe in them. I hesitated quite a bit in citing it, but I’ve decided to because you take things extremely lightly.
    In the Gospels we are warned that we should not speak empty words. It seems to me that we would benefit by being careful about that which we say here.
    Regarding morality in Orthodoxy, please read a good guide to confession. I am sure it can teach you a lot. I am not sure there is a good one online in English.
    Regarding the days it may take to save someone, of course I cannot tell, but I’ve read enough testimonies of people who in clinical death went to a very bad place.
    This is not an Orthodox source, just one on top of the Google list:
    http://kittykit.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/to-hell-and-back/
    We Orthodox believe that humans are very sinful in their fallen nature, so salvation is not taken for granted.

  38. christianclarityreview
    August 24, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Adi,

    Mark 3 is a very good chapter for miracles. It is one of the chapters in which the spirits plainly say Jesus Christ has nothing to do with them and that they knew he was the Son of God.

    Mark 3:11 And the unclean spirits, when they beheld him, fell down before him, and cried saying, *Thou* art the Son of God.

    It is also the very chapter that makes plain that confounding the Word of God with satanic speech or human speech is the unforgivable sin.

    Mark 3:22-30 And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem said, He has Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the demons he casts out demons. And having called them to him , he said to them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom has become divided against itself, that kingdom cannot subsist. And if a house has become divided against itself, that house cannot subsist. And if Satan rise up against himself, and is divided, he cannot subsist, but has an end. But no one can, having entered into his house, plunder the goods of the strong man unless he first bind the strong man , and then he will plunder his house. Verily I say unto you, that all sins shall be forgiven to the sons of men, and all the injurious speeches with which they may speak injuriously; but whosoever shall speak injuriously against the Holy Spirit, to eternity has no forgiveness; but lies under the guilt of an everlasting sin; –because they said, He has an unclean spirit.

    We don’t see, in the whole of the Bible, the type of ‘miracles’ you are saying take place and without which you could not have faith in the supposed source of the miracles. No crying or bleeding statues or icons, no relics, no 128 day marathons; nothing like what you describe. We see immediate cures in plain sight of many witnesses. We see our own new birth that is immediate in Jesus Christ as its own miracle performed upon us personally and that alone qualifies us to be Christians.

    The miracles you are saying take place are simply what a non-regenerate, superstitious person, completely ignorant of the Scriptures, would call Incredible Things. They are the type of thing that an Muslim would expect to hear as signs from their god or a Hindu from theirs: something that appeals to human incredulity.

    But no amount of incredulity or belief in miracles saves anyone. You constantly confound the Word of God with the characteristics of Satanic and human speech and equate them as the same, which Mark 3 specifically says is the unforgivable sin. Were it not that you can be a different creature as a new creature in Jesus Christ you would be in trouble. Nowhere in the Orthodox doctrine do you distinguish between being a new creature in Jesus Christ and a fallen human being. You have fallen into the lie of human perfectibility schemes and the miracles and the like are supposed steps and signposts toward that perfectibility of the creature you are now, and men are now, born in sin.

    If not for the fact of new birth in Jesus Christ, your doctrines would make perfect sense, especially since they have to compete with Islam, Hinduism, animism, shamanism and the like and so must out-perform those religions at their own type of miracle to appeal to the exact same audience: fallen men. It is little wonder then that you would warm me that if I don’t believe in your type of miracle, then I won’t stand a chance to get into the heaven that is identical in all those false religions and is a false heaven.

    The link you posted really has nothing to do with Mark 3. In Mark 3, the pharisees were angry at the ability of Jesus Christ to perform miracles they could not deny actually happened so they said his power was of Satan: they equated him as Word with a demonic spirit/speech. and that was the unforgivable sin for them as the creature they already were. It isn’t that someone told them a strange thing happened before they were born or at a distance in addition and as add-ons to what was written in Scripture: it happened in front of them. I’m telling you what you are saying happened as miracles of Orthodox lore never happened.

    The link you posted also has nothing to do with icons, statues, religious ceremony or confession, other than to further the lie of human free will. It is the witness of people who say they were saved by the power of the Name of Jesus Christ, the Word of God ONLY, without doing ceremonial religion and that Name used as a talisman, which is suspect. None of them hear God speak, they supposedly call out to God ( one even said he spoke the sinner’s prayer ) and that ‘choice’ is idealized to be the Event That Saves. They use human speech and the human will in the way you seek to use icons and the statues and relics. Both are the same deception.

    I wonder if you have been born again. You seem so wrapped up in experiential evidences for a fallen, non-born again man to ‘choose Jesus’ and that as a person who believes over all else in human free will, you would be forced to say I am not of your religion at all.

    But I have the Spirit of God for witness that I am a new creature in Jesus Christ. You keep implying you are your own witness and that because I am not my own witness to the truth or falsehood of the things that convinced others to be your religion, but as the same creature they already are, something is wrong.

    Mark 3:21 And his relatives having heard of it went out to lay hold on him, for they said, He is out of his mind.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  39. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Thank you.

  40. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    I have no doubts that you have a patent on Christianity, the Bible, Jesus. Everything you say is beyond any doubt the ultimate truth. In addition you are the ultimate an sole authority on miracles, relics, saints and everything else. Amen.

  41. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I hope you have some sense of irony, but I am adding this because I have serious doubts. But to tell you the truth I’ve had some fun at the end.

  42. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    There are countless miraculous cures of “incurable” diseases in the Orthodox church. I think that is what Jesus did when he was incarnate. These are like the ones Jesus was doing. Again this is a top link in Google.
    http://dailyweaving.blogspot.com/2009/05/miraculous-healing-in-our-parish.html
    Nevertheless the faith is about pleasing God. As Jesus said, there are two commandments: to love God and to love our brothers and sisters as ourselves.
    I never claimed that link you talk about to be related to Marc 3, but it was related to your response to my previous posting, of course.
    In Mark 3:28-9 Jesus says that those who see His miracles and do not accept them are perpetrating a blasphemy.

  43. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    And the Orthodox church is not only about tradition, as you have said above, of course there is development, many new books coming out. It is very hard to show you things because English is very limiting.
    http://www.bogistina.info/bibl/index.shtml
    This is a quite extensive online library in Russian, a language which you may not understand. I am not sure why you wrote some things about the mafia, but to clarify I am not Russian, so Russian reality does not quite apply. We are part of the EU here.
    Still, I think that a religion should be based on tradition. We cannot change it as it pleases us. We are supposed to do that which is pleasing to God. That is the real purpose of our existence.
    So I don’t understand how loving our neighbor relates to your lack of free will hypothesis.

  44. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I don’t even share your notion about “miracles”, I think miracles are normal reality.

  45. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    You seem to think that I am quite stupid. In fact I have several degrees from top American universities.

  46. Adi
    August 24, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    For your information there are multiple cases of impossible healings with the help of relics, saints, icons, vigil lamp oil, etc. Not only that but impossible things happening. This is true even today. There are so many testimonies. But again, this is not the essence of the Faith.

  47. christianclarityreview
    August 25, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Adi,

    You are not stupid. There is no such thing as stupid because there is no free will. There is no such thing as smart. But you are deceived. Stupid is a figment of the free will whereas deception is spiritual. I know that you really, really think miracles take place as you say. I know healings take place, yet completely outside the Orthodox ceremonialism and without any icons or relics.

    I do write in Russian, but at present I use software because I am learning and certainly am no expert in Russian. As for English being limited, it probably is in some ways when you come at from another version of non-creating speech. I can already see some things about Russian that would be their own thing as language that a person could get used to. However, each version of non-creating speech is part of what God divided at Babel, even though all of them have morphed into others over time. Yet they are still separate and each exists on its own. Russian doesn’t solve a problem English can’t solve and visa versa. Each is its own thing as a stand-alone. But no part of non-creating speech will suffice to speak the truth of God: that takes Christ as Truth Himself and Word of God even though God Speaks plainly through them all.

    You have no tradition of a separate Word of God from Satanic speech and no understanding of the difference. That is a common problem among all Christian denominations to this day. That is also why most denominations are simply organized crime fronts that teach the people that they have free will so the merchants can then sell things when the people see buying as ‘expressions of freedom’ and ‘expressions of choice’. The merchants are sponsoring seminaries and candidates, calling it charity and twisting doctrine to make buying and selling an expression of church doctrine. That is nothing new.

    On the one hand the politicians get you into debt as overt theft based on their ‘choices’ and then a more conservative looking group of the same people come along and say it is the moral thing to pick up the tab. In fact, their whole definition of being a conservative is to pick up that tab and get out of debt. The lie of free will itself allows them to manipulate morality and control the people politically via their fundamental beliefs.

    If free will actually existed, then ..there you are. But because of the reality of Jesus Christ, quite beyond any political benefit of being unable to be manipulated, there is no free will.

    Saying ‘miracles happen because someone used their free will correctly’ is simply, though indirectly, putting money in a merchant’s wallet. The whole business of buying icons and religious paraphernalia is simply that: business. The Russian Orthodox, in bed with the FSB, have an outright icon factory. Not even a pretense of some one individual doing something special.. just mass produced things-to-stare-at while the ‘miracle’ show goes on.

    As for having a lock on truth, I do actually have the Holy Spirit and He in fact does know everything, though I don’t know all He knows. It’s a relationship in which He is in charge of strategy. There is indeed a strategy to loving your neighbor and your brother in Christ. You tell him the truth no matter what. God takes care of everything.

    I have enjoyed this conversation. Perhaps we will meet one day in the Russian and I will be better than I am now.

    John 5:21 For even as the Father raises the dead and quickens them , thus the Son also quickens whom he will:

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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