The Two Babylons. Again.


Looked up the Two Babylons by Hislop today doing some research. Found this:

This from Wikipedia’s latest edit of that article on Hislop as of Dec 28 2009:

The Two Babylons was an anti-Catholic religious pamphlet produced initially by the Scottish theologian and Presbyterian Alexander Hislop in 1853. It was later expanded in 1858 and finally published as a book in 1919. Its central theme is its allegation that the Catholic Church is a veiled continuation of the pagan religion of Babylon, the veiled paganism being the product of a millennia old conspiracy.[1][2] It has been recognized by scholars as discredited and has been called a “tribute to historical inaccuracy and know-nothing religious bigotry” with “shoddy scholarship, blatant dishonesty” and a “nonsensical thesis”.[3][4]

While I have read the actual book and consider it truth,  (and you can read it online for free here ),  it seems ‘the scholars’ are very few and center on one evangelical non-denominational, tent evangelist who has never been to seminary and has no credentials like Hislop, but has single-handedly ‘discredited’ him. He got his own page on wikipedia for that one that says simply:

“Ralph Woodrow is an Evangelical Christian minister, speaker and presently the author of fourteen books. Woodrow formerly supported the thesis of 19th century Presbyterian churchman, Alexander Hislop, that Roman Catholicism is a syncretistic pagan religion in his book Babylon Mystery Religion and gained a certain notoriety when he changed his view and pulled the work from circulation. His new viewpoint is documented in The Babylon Connection.

Woodrow has been in the ministry since the age of 18, where he has remained for over forty years.”

Ralph Woodrow.org has lots of pictures of ..Ralph.

He is a non-Catholic of course and had formerly written a book that depended on Hislops scholarship, recanted in favor of the Romanists, and so that is supposedly real proof his absolute integrity. At least that is what they want you to believe. The bulk of the article seeks to make Hislop look unorthodox ( not as against Jesus Christ but as simply non Eastern Orthodox and non Roman Catholic and against their sources and doctrine ) which is of course exactly like saying “Hislop exposed Roman Catholicism as pagan mystery religion and is therefore not a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox”.  He writes a book to expose what they have done and where they got their doctrines and they say “your book can’t be true according to our doctrines” and call that ‘discrediting’ his book. Then comes Woodrow: the ‘critics’ section makes it seem the Catholics had nothing to do with the article on Wikipedia, but that:

“The evangelical minister Ralph Woodrow, drawing heavily on Hislop’s book, made the case, which he no longer holds, in his book Babylon Mystery Religion that Catholicism was a syncretic religion that had evolved from pagan Babylon. Mr. Woodrow, after realizing how flawed Hislop’s book was, recanted the error of his own book (Babylon Mystery Religion) and decried its and Hislop’s errors and false connections.[9]

Hislop’s work has been described by Bill Ellis as “sketchy knowledge of Middle Eastern antiquity with a vivid imagination.”[10]

A history teacher challenged Woodrow, and called the integrity of Hislop’s research into question. Mr. Woodrow began to diligently research the subject, and as he explored the theories of Hislop, began to discover that those ideas were either fraudulent, mis-interpretations, or had created false relationships where none actually existed. Eventually, Ralph Woodrow felt compelled to remove his own book from print, and later wrote a second book “The Babylon Connection?” to further explain and refute Hislop’s (and his own) mistaken ideas.[11] Woodrow had now become a critic of Hislop’s ‘pagan’ theories.”

Woodrow has a  paper here. ( hosted at a Seventh Day Adventist cite .. David Koresh ( Waco) was an Adventist..) A link at the top states it is also hosted at the Christian Research Institute, but when the link is clicked ..”that page no longer exists.”

But you don’t have to wonder why the Jesuits would link to CRI. The post “Is the Roman Catholic Church a Cult?” states:

“CRI firmly maintains that Roman Catholicism is a religious system which includes both orthodox biblical Christianity and elements of unbiblical or “cultic” doctrine and practice. In other words, we recognize that Roman Catholicism historically has affirmed the essential teachings of the Bible, while also teaching doctrines which are inconsistent with that affirmation and which seriously compromise the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. …Although certain doctrines and practices in Roman Catholicism might properly be termed “heretical,” we would not label them as a cult — for example, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. The errors of Roman Catholicism are heretical in that sense that they compromise or undermine the orthodox confession of the church. In short, we regard Roman Catholicism as neither a biblically sound Christian church nor a cult, but a Christian church with a mixture of orthodox and erroneous teachings.”

That’s code for ‘they are and are not Christians’. They have ‘cult-ic practices’ but ..’are not a cult’. Heretical in quotes means a timid “they are not Christians”. That doesn’t help one soul from either the lies of free will that are the bedrock of Romanism and without which it would not even be an institution, or when refugees from free will preaching, Mary worshiping ( as in “Mary is the co-Mediatrix with Christ” per the pope ) , child abusing priests seek justice and very obviously need a non-Romanists controlled justice system to at least get away from them. In the guise of ‘let’s all get along”, whole families are sold into slavery with a smile, and free willers collectively genuinely think God will not recompense them fully.

So don’t forget, The Two Babylons has been officially dissed by the Romanists and other free willers, to include ‘satanism expert’, Bill Ellis,  ( Evangelical Lutheran Church  ( permit same sex ‘couples’ to be their priests) who is a “a folklore specialist” and researcher of conspiracy theories while being a professor emeritus at Penn State. And after all, it hurt people’s feelings. Don’t forget: these guys are the fartherest things from “fundamentalists”: they are hip and modern non-Christians who loath the true gospel and yet love churcheology and lots of people saying the sinners prayer and ‘yes!’ to Jesus several times a day.

You too can edit the book review of The Two Babylons on Wikipedia and encounter:

“You are not currently logged in. Editing this way will cause your IP address to be recorded publicly in this page’s edit history. If you create an account, you can conceal your IP address and be provided with many other benefits. Messages sent to your IP can be viewed on your talk page.”

If you create an account, you can hide your affiliation and fire away!

I would have added the ‘review’ was hugely biased in favor of Romanism/Paganism and to discredit Hislop and in no way even passes the smell test for a simple article, but having edited ( openly, without creating an account ) the definition of language at wikipedia and had it erased in less than an hour and having edited Todd Bentley’s ( of ‘the Lakeland Revival’ infamy ) profile to say “alleged Christian evangelist” and had it dutifully changed back to ‘Christian evangelist” in less than an hour, ..what for? It becomes obvious after only a few such attempts that anti-Christian, pro-Romanist people hang out to keep uppermost in the minds of as many as they can that Rome is ‘the church’ and Todd Bentley is a “Christian” –at all, and that everything is just fine in the world as long as you think you’ve got free will.

Think about this: How many books in history get a page on wikipedia simply to be refuted and ridiculed?

Who knows, maybe I’ll get my own one day.

You can forget the real roots of what are now ‘denominations’ that are over  ONE, maybe two hundred years old. You can forget that and it seems those people are possibly conservatives with deep roots and thus what they say might be true. They may have the dress and hair style of a rapture ready God Squad as Satan’s favorite Fundamentalist-for-public-viewing.  But when you get into the details, it always leads back to the lie of human free will as heresy against Christ and a break-up in a former denomination over church power and more and more outright heresy. Those people are now on board with the Romanists and to a certain extent do not even know it.

Matthew 24:23-27  Then if any one say to you, Behold, here is the Christ, or here, believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall give great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you beforehand. If therefore they say to you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth; behold, he is in the inner chambers, do not believe it . For as the lightning goes forth from the east and shines to the west, so shall be the coming of the Son of man.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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  1. william hale
    September 5, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Google “Avram’s critique” or maybe “Avram’s woodrow” if you haven’t already noticed what he has stated concerning Rev Hislop’s exceptional work, and if you are so inclined. I have enjoyed reading what you’ve stated here. Think you might like what you find from Avram, since we both obviously lament the treacherous wares of Wicked~pedia and other well-worded workers of woe-wielding with Woodrowish warnings!

  2. christianclarityreview
    September 5, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Mr. Hale,

    Good review. Thanks for the tip. Here is a link for anyone reading this ( I don’t know about the rest of the website ) : Avram’s Critique of Mr. Ralph Woodrow : http://www.seedofabraham.net/2babreb.htm

    Ephesians 2:8-10 For ye are saved by grace, through faith; and this not of yourselves; it is God’s gift: not on the principle of works, that no one might boast. For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God has before prepared that we should walk in them.

    timothy

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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