Is belief in the free will of man proof of not being new creature in Jesus Christ and even damned?


It is if you have heard the truth of God as part of the gospel of Jesus Christ that there is no free will and you claim human free will exists  as well  ( as if God were forced, as the Romanists say “to speak to man in human language” as they pretend God isn’t His Word but “uses language” like men and as they pretend there is no other language in total reality other than non-creating speech / human speech ) and human responsibility for sin ( as if God did not directly take responsibility for human sin on the cross ) .

It isn’t if you are organically retarded. Those who are can still be saved by the power of the Word of God. ( note that in the lie of human free will, only those supposedly capable of the mental gymnastics they claim to be able to do can be saved. That excludes those who don’t supposedly demonstrate a certain minimum threshold of ‘free will’..)

( Note that in societies that have gone down the road of “human free will exists!” always end in killing the weak and retarded because supposedly, in full understanding that there is no point in preaching a free willed gospel to a retarded person because they can’t understand it ( give it permission to be true )  and because God made them that way ( as a stab at mixing in some determinism with their pagan beliefs ) “even God rejected the possibility that they hear His Word and get saved”. Nazi Germany. Present day America, Russia, Netherlands, China, etc.)

It isn’t if you never heard it. People can and are saved in simplicity from pagan religion. I think sometimes they and the retarded elect or the elect miscarriages are the more blessed. “It hath rest rather than the other..”

But to those who have heard it and rejected God and continue to say they have free will, hold up their Bibles and say such things as “Scripture is my only rule of faith!” and /or “The church decides what truth is!”, that lie of human free will is plain evidence of God not having given them Himself as Word. They are not Christians. Their best honesty is the lie that God has sent to deceive them:

2Thess 2:11,12  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God sends the perfect weapon to deceive them after they prove they cannot hear God: a spirit that pleases them to be wise in their own eyes to hate God as He actually Is.

Arminians and host of Third-Way free willers ( who claim to be neither Calvinist or Arminian and who hold that being neither is nicer and more reflective of “the love of Christ” ) have:

1. read Scripture and claim to be experts of it

2. mixed human philosophy with Scripture and claim they did not ..or that they must

3. constantly denied the truth of God as Word and constantly given comfort to those who are used of Satan to do egregious harm to all as literal murderers, thieves, deceivers and witches

Further, they are appointed to it by God. That means they are not only not saved, but are damned and will only go on to greater impiety –that they will never recover or be saved and those of the household of faith in Jesus Christ know who they are by name as a result of their doctrinal lies.

Appointed to damnation and differentiated from the elect:

1 Peter 2:7,8  To you therefore who believe is the preciousness; but to the disobedient, the stone which the builders cast away as worthless, this is become head of the corner,  and a stone of stumbling and rock of offence; who stumble at the word, being disobedient to which also they have been appointed.

They are known by name and by doctrine and will only advance in evil; what they say and do is a spiritual illness that they spread and not at all will-neutral ‘holy info’ or simply “an alternative position”:

2 Timothy 2:15-19  Strive diligently to present thyself approved to God, a workman that has not to be ashamed, cutting in a straight line the word of truth.  But profane, vain babblings shun, for they will advance to greater impietyand their word will spread as a gangrene; of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;   men who as to the truth have gone astray, saying that the resurrection has taken place already; and overthrow the faith of some. Yet the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, The Lord knows those that are his; and, Let every one who names the name of the Lord withdraw from iniquity.

That it is impossible ( not something to be prayed for ) that they be born again, having already heard the Same Word which we in Christ have heard and it had no effect on them:

Hebrew 6:4-8  For it is impossible to renew again to repentance those once enlightened, and who have tasted of the heavenly gift, and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,  and have tasted the good word of God, and the works of power of the age to come,  and have fallen away, crucifying for themselves as they do the Son of God, and making a show of him .  For ground which drinks the rain which comes often upon it, and produces useful herbs for those for whose sakes also it is tilled, partakes of blessing from God;  but bringing forth thorns and briars, it is found worthless and nigh to a curse, whose end is to be burned.

The free willers have tried to say that the above revelation proves loss of salvation for those who formerly actually had it. In truth it proves that those appointed to be confounded by seeing God as He actually is are confounded and damned ..by the Word of God.

In addition, it is plain that those who claim freedom of the will do so for its own sake. It is a lie they have pushed on Scripture for its own sake in order to destroy those deceived by it. They commonly and frequently defend free will in sermon, song and dance and seek to keep “the freedom God gave us” uppermost in everyone’s mind.

The lie of human free will is not at all a simple “position” that a fellow Christian can have; it colors their whole life, all of their beliefs and is the root of political Nazisim, Socialism, Communism and monopoly capitalism as well as all pagan beliefs.It is not a accident that many free will Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterian ministers and church leaders are also Freemasons and Shriners. In America, we have had at least one hundred years of supposed pro-Christ but very unambiguously anti-Calvinist political rule. All that is evil can be directly laid at their doorstep.

Understand that ALL those who claim free will and those who claim to be peacemakers as a kind of emotional referee between Calvinism and Arminianism and those who claim to be neither Calvinist or Arminian are Arminian and worse witches than most.

In the end, anyone who hates the truth that God directly and unambiguously tells us Himself as Word as spirit and life what we can and cannot believe and is the only judge in our everyday circumstances and has appointed and is appointing our every action and thought both as predetermined counsel and as new creation is not a Christian.

The fruit of false Christians and pagans through the ages is a trail of destruction and dead bodies of saints and all around them. But to hear them tell it, life is simply a zone that is, mystically toward human beings, devoid of enemies because it has to be a zone of will neutrality so that the will can be said to be ‘free’.  It is the fog of witchcraft. It is a most base and flimsy lie and is easily seen by those truly in Christ.

I warn you there are many speaking on radio and televisions and writing blogs and posting to their own comments or pretending to have received mail asking them a question as one spirit as if carrying on a conversation between a “believer” and a “dis-believer” of their doctrines or as appealing to them as an authority. You won’t find real Calvinist doing that becuase being born again has nothing to do with peer pressure or popularity of a doctrine, so there is no need to pretend a greater popularity than actually exists in men: men hate Calvinism. New creatures in Jesus Christ are the only ones who know Calvinism is truth.

The lie of Free Will is simply a tool of Satan that is a church-centric guide and guardian to the present ideology of money, sex, criminality and drugs. It exists for no other reason that to warn all of society that if it did not exist, materialism, abortion, homosexuality, birth control, running after m0ney at all costs and drugs common on every street would be taken away. They say these things in a tone of voice that implies warning and doing the hearer a favor. But it is all lies and death.

2 Thess 2:13-17  But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.  Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,   Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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  1. jmatthanbrown
    November 23, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Interesting thoughts Timothy, I was wondering if you could give me the bible vese that explicitly states that man does not have free will?

    • christianclarityreview
      November 24, 2009 at 6:42 am

      God does not say that men have no will. But He does say they cannot do what must be done to save them and that while they may will all the time, they can’t put into action what they want. And that is in all actions, not just salvation.

      John 1:11-13 He came to his own, and his own received him not; but as many as received him, to them gave he the right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name; who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh’s will, nor of man’s will, but of God.

      once more: ..nor of man’s will ..nor of the will of the flesh

      I suppose you could argue in non-creating speech that the word ‘dinosaur’ is not in the Bible and therefore that God created all creatures might be in doubt to one who cannot hear God, even though the term ‘dinosaur’ was a construction of the 18th century to describe what God created in a new way to make it seem some new thing was evident that God has not accounted for to open the door to the term evolution. Similarly, no matter what God has plainly said on the will one could say “That’s out of context” and/or “I have a different take on that verse” or some such argument. But God is not mocked.

      The term ‘free will’ is not found in the whole Bible and is a new / recent term of non-creating speech on the old lie that already had its proponents against the righteous since ancient times. The term is specifically skewed to re-energize a lie that has been beaten into the ground for generations. “The Bondage of the will”was how Luther saw it, not ‘do we have free will’?.

      The fact that we do not have a will that can do as we want is all through the Bible. God through many brethren have written on that exact subject when He showed it to them throughout the ages and at least in some instances as a new discovery to them of God as Truth. People who did not know each other and were separated by time and geography were shown of God a truth that seemed new to them but was simply Christ as Truth all along.

      There are a multitude of revelations that prove no freedom of will, each one of which arminians have always claimed “are out of context” and can’t be understood as plain evidence of no free will “with ( their) a proper hermeneutic”:

      A very plain revelation, that is revelation right now ( it doesn’t take a time out of being the Word of God so it can “examined” for philosophical fitness as a match for men’s pride)

      Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shews mercy.

      once more: ” it is not of him that wills..” verbatim. Men ( “him that wills”) can will to his heart’s delight ..if God forces it and forces him to delight in it. But it won’t change the truth he is not free to do as he wills. And what we are speaking of is a freedom of man that puts into action the will of man.

      God is plainly demonstrated to be in complete control at all times:

      Romans 9:18 So then, to whom He will he shews mercy, and whom He will he hardens.

      Job 23:13-15 But he is in one mind , and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.

        For he will perform what is appointed for me;

      and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence; I consider, and I am afraid of him.

      Psalm 39:6 Verily, man walketh in a vain show; verily they are disquieted in vain; he heapeth up riches , and knoweth not who shall gather them.

      Men are definitely doing something all the time internally. They desire, they hope, they get angry. But they cannot do what they wish even if what they want is simply to keep wishing while being in one spot. People take drugs to try to do exactly that, yet even the drugs do not empower them no matter how often they seek to do it again minus a free will.

      In every circumstance of life there is a revelation as evidence that the will is not free. God performing for us what must be done to save us, God making vain the counsel of the wise of this world ( actively interfering so that what seems to be plain and easy and well-planned never happens ) Job 5:12,13 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, and their hands carry not out the enterprise. He taketh the wise in their own craftiness; and the counsel of the wily is carried headlong: ..God frustrating even the pious efforts of real brethren even though they were perfect as regards the law before Him (Job 1:8 And Jehovah said to Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God and abstaineth from evil?..

      Ecc 7:13,14 Consider the work of God; for who can make straight what he hath made crooked? In the day of prosperity enjoy good, and in the day of adversity consider: God hath also set the one beside the other, to the end that man should find out nothing of what shall be after him.

      The deception of human free will is the most egregious lie that has a host of spiritual ills attached to it and is not found in Scripture at all excepting among the wicked as their standard outlook on reality. The only way one could even pretend that free will of man is found in the Bible as the path of the righteous is first to define the Bible to be not the actual Word of God as spirit and life, but a will neutral medium of “holy information” that is only a certain word order that is in the same speech and language as human speech. You would have to equate God’s Word with Lucifer’s language to do that: you would have to say God and Satan share a common speech.

      The wicked obviously thinking they have free will and so did Moses and seeking to catch Moses in a guilt trap based specifically on their own outlook on life. Note that God responds through Moses that it is God who chooses and not men:

      Numbers 16:1-5 And Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, made bold, and with him Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, the sons of Reuben; and they rose up against Moses, with two hundred and fifty men of the children of Israel, princes of the assembly, summoned to the council, men of renown; and they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said to them, It is enough; for all the assembly, all of them are holy, and Jehovah is among them; and why do ye lift up yourselves above the congregation of Jehovah? When Moses heard this, he fell on his face. And he spoke to Korah and to all his band, saying, Even to-morrow will Jehovah make known who is his, and who is holy; and he will cause him to come near to him; and him whom he has chosen, him will he cause to come near to him.

      God plainly declaring wills to be bound so that His Word would be fulfilled:

      Romans 9:11-13 the children indeed being not yet born, or having done anything good or worthless (that the purpose of God according to election might abide, not of works, but of him that calls), it was said to her, The greater shall serve the less: according as it is written, I have loved Jacob, and I have hated Esau.

      It has always been the children of Belial that pretend they have free will and everyone else does ‘too’ no matter how they put it: free will, free agency, ability to do what they want. They do so with words not found in Scripture.

      They are lying that ‘free will’ IS found in Scripture.

      Cain killed Abel, minus any free will, because of a falsely perceived intelligence Abel had to make God Love his sacrifice more than Cain’s: you can’t have lust without the DECEPTION of free will. That the deception / lie of human free will exists is demonstrated in the Bible many times. That they actually have free will is not.

      Children of Belial attacked Christ on that very basis:

      John 10:30-33 I and the Father are one. The Jews therefore again took stones that they might stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewn you of my Father; for which work of them do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

      They denied the divinity of Jesus Christ ..which gave them a springboard to accuse Him of doing things in self-will. They needed him to be only a man and to have a free will as a man to even be able to accuse him of anything. Yet even Jesus Christ as the Word of God says:

      Luke 22:41,42 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and having knelt down he prayed, saying, Father, if thou wilt remove this cup from me: –but then, not my will, but thine be done.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  2. jmatthanbrown
    November 29, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Right, so there are no scripture verses that explicitly deny that man has free will; your arguments are based upon what you believe the text implicitly suggests. In other words, your belief that man does not have free will is a philosophical one. It is a conclusion you have arrived at based upon what you perceive to be the logical consequences of certain Biblical passages. Since this is the case, I suggest you stop demonizing people who believe in free will. You charge them with doing philosophy and not adhering strictly to the scripture; yet, you are guilty of engaging in the same philosophical reasoning. Determinism is a philosophical position and is not explicitly taught in the Bible.

    • christianclarityreview
      November 29, 2009 at 3:07 pm

      No. Not right.

      I gave you revelation and the speech of your flesh in fact cannot see or hear God in His Word.

      All of your hopes of free will derive from you definition of speech itself. But Scripture is clear and no hindered becuase of your unbelief.

      What I pointed out to you was that Satan has morphed the argument into different phrasing to avoid Scripture and seem to prove the very thing he is saying through you. The world hears you and rejoices because you of the world.

      If I took pleasure in the death of sinners, I would simply say, “So then, rejoice your whole life in your lies.”

      But God is not mocked. There is no free will. There is no verse that claims free will for man. There is no verse to support your definition of speech. Quite the contrary.

      A hardcore free willer such as yourself is not born again. You mock what you do not understand even when you are explicitly shown to be wrong. That makes you a child of Belial, not of Christ. If God does not forgive you, you’ll be a proud liar your whole life.

      Gal 6:3 For if any man reputes himself to be something, being nothing, he deceives himself; but let each prove his own work, and then he will have his boast in what belongs to himself alone, and not in what belongs to another. For each shall bear his own burden. Let him that is taught in the word communicate to him that teaches in all good things. Be not deceived: God is not mocked; for whatever a man shall sow, that also shall he reap. For he that sows to his own flesh, shall reap corruption from the flesh; but he that sows to the Spirit, from the Spirit shall reap eternal life: but let us not lose heart in doing good; for in due time, if we do not faint, we shall reap. So then, as we have occasion, let us do good towards all, and specially towards those of the household of faith.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  3. jmatthanbrown
    December 2, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Actually, you gave me a conglomeration of scripture verses, which have absolutely nothing to do with the philosophical question of whether or not man has free will. The numerous references to scripture you provide deal with things like: God’s sovereignty, God’s providence, God’s will, God’s direct action within creation, or how man is to respond to God. None of these passages make explicit claims against the philosophical notion of free will; conversely, none of these passages explicitly support determinism. You are reading philosophical determinism into the text. For instance, in Romans when Paul talks about God hardening Pharaoh’s heart, it says nothing about “how” God hardens his heart—using philosophical reasoning, you assume God hardens Pharaoh’s heart in a deterministic manner; however, this is not necessarily the case. Especially, if you take into consideration the original passage of scripture Paul is quoting. Go back and read the Exodus account and you will note that in some passages, like Exodus 8:15, the text says that Pharaoh hardened his heart.

    Furthermore, Paul states in Romans 10:13, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Notice how Paul doesn’t say, “Everyone who believes in philosophical determinism shall be saved.” On what Biblical grounds do you dare presume to tell me that I’m not born again because I hold a particular philosophical view about free will?

    • christianclarityreview
      December 3, 2009 at 3:57 am

      This should be an instructive exchange for everyone.

      1. The doctrine of creatures actually having free will is not found in Scripture.

      2. Liars in the flesh of those deceived free will exists say it is and is in fact the only path to salvation: supposedly, according to free willers, only an act of will can save you and God’s grace is not enough. That means the unborn, miscarriages, retarded and the weak and those unable to do the mental gymnastics of the free willed gospel ..cannot by definition be saved –at all –per the ‘gospel’ of human free will and must burn in the lake of fire. In addition, according to free willers, God and Lucifer have the same speech –a speech which can create nothing. That means that God as Word, Jesus Christ is the speech of Lucifer and must be in all free will theology.

      3. When confronted with Scripture as spirit and life that proves them liars, they say, that while the verses are definitely inspired, and definitely God’s Word, and definitely their only rule of faith, unfortunately they, as free willers, have a method of interpretation that proves those verses have nothing to do with not having free will but are neatly sequestered in ( as in cannot apply to anything else per the idealized hermeneutic but what the idealized hermeneutic says they apply to as theological topics ) complete other ..compliments to God that a free willed, human heart would recognize as such and yet their idealized free will would never be effected by: sovereignty, all powerful, etc. ..and thus could ‘work’ as aids in “choosing” who God is and isn’t and to help them apply Him to themselves as an act of their own will in order to be new creatures in Jesus Christ.

      summary: So while seeming to emotionally be on God’s side and man’s side as bigger lovers because of being on Both Sides, of a supposed mere theological or philosophical argument and having set aside the Word of God, and substituted in His place an identical alternate literal that just happens to have the single property of being unable to create anything and is absolutely power-less ( and that is its key appeal to free willers because that very quality seems to leave them ..in free will ) supposedly by an act of free will, the confident free willer wins the day in his or her own eyes.

      They have denied God is His Word, said they decided His Word is ‘true’ within certain parameters, proclaimed themselves masters over His Word and laugh heartily as they do so.

      Would that be a good summation of where you are right now?

      By all means, continue..

      Galatians 6:7,8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

    • christianclarityreview
      December 3, 2009 at 4:32 am

      Part two:

      1. On what Biblical grounds do you dare presume to tell me that I’m not born again because I hold a particular philosophical view about free will?

      That was answered in the article and in the preceding comments. Your pretense that it wasn’t is simply a lie.

      In addition to that: You obviously see your own supposed freedom more important than God’s Word. You denigrate the power of the Word of God explicitly. You heap compliments on God as if you really, really liked Him. But in the end, you worship your own supposed power over God.

      Mat 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      See that? Not everyone. And God has in no way contradicted Himself.

      Christ says even of Himself regarding the Father while He was in flesh and before becoming dead for our sins, and taking human responsibility away from men for sin by His death on the cross: not my will but thine be done. Note He never said “Make my will be the same as your will.” The fact is was two different wills and Christ wanted to live and not die made it a sacrifice. He never said “My will is free, but I’ve a better system than your idea about me dying for them.”

      Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

      You can pretend hurt all you want, you can pretend to take up for a heavenly underclass of damned persons who are really really nice people otherwise, and for the most part successfully hide their hatred of Jesus Christ in showering compliments on God in non-creating speech. But in the end, you simply think to have gotten a way to compliment God and still deny Him. God is not deceived.

      Proverbs 5:5-14 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell. Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them. Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not from the words of my mouth. Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the door of her house: Lest thou give thine honour unto others, and thy years unto the cruel: Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger; And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed, And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof; And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me! I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.

      as for God not hardening Pharoah’s heart –that is a lie.

      Exodus 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

      Exodus 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh’s heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

      As for Pharaoh thinking to have control of his own heart, such was the case as well with all free willers, but God Speaks of the king of Assyria in particular on that very matter and punishes the king expressly for claiming to himself that he has done all his own success by his own free will and intelligence:

      Isaiah 10:5-19 Ah! the Assyrian! the rod of mine anger! and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against a hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge; to take the spoil, and to seize the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. But he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; for it is in his heart to extirpate and cut off nations not a few. For he saith, Are not my princes all kings? Is not Calno as Karkemish? Is not Hamath as Arpad? Is not Samaria as Damascus? As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, –and their graven images exceeded those of Jerusalem and Samaria, –shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her images? And it shall come to pass, when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and upon Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stoutness of heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks. For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it , and by my wisdom, for I am intelligent; and I have removed the bounds of the peoples, and have robbed their treasures, and, like a valiant man, I have brought down them that sit on thrones ; and my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the peoples, and as one gathereth forsaken eggs, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or chirped. –Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? shall the saw magnify itself against him that wieldeth it? As if the rod should wield them that lift it up; as if the staff should lift up him who is not wood! Therefore shall the Lord, Jehovah of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness, and under his glory he shall kindle a burning, like the burning of a fire: and the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame; and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briars in one day, and it shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body; and they shall be as when a sick man fainteth. And the remainder of the trees of his forest shall be few: yea, a child might write them.

      timothy

      In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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