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If I don’t have free will, it makes no difference to know it or not. Determinism says the same thing will happen to me anyway.


That objection comes in various other guises as well:

1. If I don’t have free will, what is the point in telling me? There is nothing I or anyone else can do about it. God is never pointless. Therefore there is no determinism.
2. Determinism by definition means the same thing will happen to me anyway. Even if I am wrong and only think I have free will, the mere understanding that I do or I don’t makes no difference in my life. At best it can only confuse as a theological widget in the midst of everything else.
3. Combined with the If-Then scenarios in Scripture, where God Says “IF  they do this .. THEN I will do ..that” determinism is done away.
4. Determinism has to account for evil and God can’t create evil or that makes Him evil. No evil in God equals no determinism equals no point in telling me I don’t have free will.

( title and same objections 1-3) The appeal to determinism and a generalized If-then scenario of an implied non-creating speech as a shield against understanding is a lie of non-creating speech itself that depends on the quality of non-creation being stretched to include the Word of God so that an additional non-interference-with-the-will principle can be added to all speech that is in reality not there in any speech.

1. The determinism appealed to is false determinism. It is fake determinism as a mental/demonic construct that is nothing but fatalism.

there are two ways of explaining that false determinism, even though it is only one large lie:

a.The first is Marxian Determinism or the ‘ determinism’ that is claimed to arise out of the implied existence of a single speech in total reality that has the quality about it of being non-creating. The non-creating, powerless quality of the speech itself is twisted to include a non-interference principle so that the powerless quality of the speech can be portrayed in a positive light and most particularly in a light that permits a logical ‘chance’ at free will. An environment is hinted to exist in which free will can exist, speech being part of that environment and the key to expressing that environment. In that lie-as-that-speech, supposedly ‘free’ willed creatures must fight over limited resources (limited because no new creation is going on as a quality of that speech that is turned to a positive as regards human pride but which also manufactures scarcity as a physical result. God as Creating Speech/Jesus Christ is denied but that denial comes with a positive face that results in scarcity as The Natural Condition.) That fight over limited resources in a Closed Box model of total reality ( no new creation, no growth) supposedly results in the simultaneous invisible hand of certain rules that coalesce out of ..the situation.. that are always the same and which functionally enforce a determinism on the players within it.

false determinism is not Calvinism

false determinism is not Calvinism

Social ‘Science’ is the supposed search for and study of those invisible rules that arise out that ..situation. Marxism and socialism is the attempt to enforce the rules that were supposedly found in a ‘fair’ way and never seeks a way Out of that situation but mandates as a platform for a religion which chooses who gets what for how long and always ultimately ends up with death as it sole product. You supposedly rent happiness  for a certain length of time at the cost of children and all that is dear on the premise that simple life is not sustainable within that ..situation. The direct implication of that mindset is that God created you but left you in a situation in which you were never meant to have Enough of anything. Birth-to-grave charts of Consumption versus Contribution are rampant in that ..situation.

b. In that non-creating ‘determinism’ , there is no distinction between God as Word as Creating Speech/Jesus Christ ( and thus the effects of God as Creating speech ) and non-creating speech/anti-Christ ( and thus the effects of non-creating speech). There is only an implied single speech in all of total reality and that implied one speech is non-creating and thus implies one outcome of every instance with no  distinction between righteous and wicked or a Just God actively involved in the affairs He has set on its course and there is no growth: that lie of what determinism is pretends as if everything is set is stone AND no new creation can take place and thus nothing ( to include understanding truth ) does make any difference.

Everything in that false determinism works to a set end on a set path no matter what and there is no rescue or Salvation or the need for salvation. That’s fatalism: no free will AND no God that is active in every part of our lives at all times.

what salvation? what new birth in Jesus Christ?

what salvation? what new birth in Jesus Christ?

There is no point in understanding anything in that fake determinism in addition to being no point in understanding God. It was set up as a fake determinism in order to make God as Word look ridiculous and succeeds to keep those whom God intends to be kept within it in making of themselves spiritual geniuses in their own eyes not to listen to God in addition to seeming to empower those who lie and say that God can be chosen and understood by self-effort.

The theological free willer is working hand in hand with the political socialist and both without any free will or intent.

In truth, hearing the Word of God divinely turned us into new creatures in Jesus Christ and continues to do so for spiritual new babes in Christ all the time. God Saying IF and Satan saying IF are two completely different acts of two different speaks with two different results. We are firsthand witnesses to the power of His Word and of particularly hearing that Word and the difference it made in our life in addition to the witness of the Holy Spirit that we are the sons of God because of having heard God as Word. We know that Jesus Christ is an outright different Word/Speech than non-creating speech by both witnesses.

Roman 8:15-17  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

The difference in the two speaks mandates a distinction in the understanding of determinism. In reality, even though God has set everything on a predetermined path and the Book of Life is already completed, that path is one of growth, not one of a non-living iron band that constrains all within it as the Satanic model of determinism says can be the only determinism.

New things are created all the time and on time by the Word of God in addition to new creatures in Jesus Christ. The determinism of God grows from within exactly like a Body of Christ would grow it if were a living thing.

It is a living thing and it has been predetermined to end up in a certain form comprised of certain individuals. As well, new things are created through new creatures in Jesus Christ. Understanding is a vital link in that growth as what is received as understanding is the Word of God that grows and creates more of us.

Psalm 115:14,15  The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children.  Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth.

The wicked still receive more despite their hope that mere ignorance will prevent it:

Psalm 120:3,4  What shall be given to thee, or what shall be added to thee, to a deceitful tongue?  The sharp arrows of the mighty, with coals that lay waste.

In short, a mere implied purpose-of-non-creating-speech argument is the background and foundation for all of the objections against Calvinism, most particularly Limited Atonement and Once Saved Always Saved because they are the most prominent of the five truths to deal with determinism, even though all are based on God foreordaining all that is or will be.

Satan cannot fight the truth with the truth, so he went away, pretended to not be religious, started an argument in ‘science’ about the condition of man and human misery and the like within non-creating speech, defined speech as one large Meta in which he equated his speech with God as Word, then re-introduced his perfected lies back into religion as arminianism/free willer false Christianity on a supposed logical basis. Satan to this hour will have a man who is being passed off as a “defender of the faith” roll his eyes patiently and bang those sections of Scripture that have the word IF and THEN in them and say “If only you Calvinists could read!”  or “Don’t bring any theological pre-considerations to the Word. Just read it!”

The Arminians and the humanist have spread a net over the whole of Scripture that implies God as Word is the same word/speech in which lies can be spoken and is the same power-less word of anti-Christ and demons and has a will-neutral character to it to seem to provide a logical basis for the lie of human free will ..then they say “just read it without reading anything into it”.

That is the unforgivable sin: equating God as Word with non-creating speech/speech-of-demons at all, much less going further and building supposed logical constructions on that lie:

Matthew 12:24-37  But the Pharisees hearing it, said: This man casteth not out devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.  And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.   And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself: how then shall his kingdom stand?  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.  But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.  Or how can any one enter into the house of the strong, and rifle his goods, unless he first bind the strong? and then he will rifle his house.  He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.  Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.  And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.  Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known.  O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.  A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.  But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment.  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

But God Says of us that our speech makes us manifest to the world –even in bad times and fallen in pre-determined sin  ( note that Christ Said previously to Peter that he would deny him three times as an act of Creating Speech ( and not mere non-creating and implied non-interfering predicting ) exactly as He had Said to Adam as an act of Creating Speech “On the day that thou eatest of the tree” ( not IF thou eatest..) 0r to Peter  “If you get scared you will then you will deny me” :

Matthew 26:69-75  But Peter sat without in the court. And there came to him a servant maid, saying: Thou also wast with Jesus the Galilean.  But he denied before them all, saying: I know not what thou sayest.  And as he went out of the gate, another maid saw him; and she saith to them that were there: This man also was with Jesus of Nazareth.  And again he denied with an oath: I know not the man.  And after a little while, they came that stood by and said to Peter: Surely thou also art one of them. For even THY SPEECH DOTH DISCOVER THEE.  Then he began to curse and to swear that he knew not the man. And immediately the cock crew.  And Peter remembered the word of Jesus which he had said: Before the cock crow, thou wilt deny me thrice. And going forth, he wept bitterly.

God distinguishes Himself as our speech from the world’s speech as well as in..

1John 4:4-6  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.   We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The non-creating speech in the unbelievers knew ( and knows)  the difference between itself and the Word of God, though it does not tell those within it that difference or the consequences of that difference but pretends to be the only speech in total reality and that only through its qualities all truth is supposedly discovered. It is a liar and the speech of all lies and anything within it is at best a logical illusion that can only exist inside it. It does indeed make sense if God as Word IS the speech in which lies are spoken and if there is IS only one speech in total reality. It does indeed have the appearance of infallible logic within itslef. But once exposed to the Word of God it cannot survive unless God intends for that individual to not hear and literally plasters the ears of the reprobate to that predetermined end.

Luke 8:10  To whom he said: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to the rest in parables, that seeing they may not see and hearing may not understand.

Isaiah 44:18-21  They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.  And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?   He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?  Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

To those who say they have no need to know if they lack free will or not God has replied that if you do not hear Him as Word and understand the distinction between Him as Word and the speech of Satan, you will die in your sins and you will very wise in your own eyes to work night and day for your own destruction. Those that fight against God and the elect, especially in the guise of being theologically empowered to do so and especially those who think to theologically empower others to do so God Says:

Isaiah 49:24-26  Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?  But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.  And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

..even though the elect complain when the wicked grow rich and confident:

Psalm 73:1  A Psalm of Asaph. Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.  But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.  For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.  For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.  They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.  Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.   They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.

Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.  For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.  If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.

When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;

Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.   Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.  As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image. Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.  So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.  Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.  Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.  Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.  My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.  For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.  But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

Objection 4 answered :  God in fact creates everything, to include the evil and to include picking and choosing whom He will send to the lake of fire as well as those whom He will send to heaven.

Those who would defend God’s reputation so that a falsely idealized free willed person would ‘choose Him’ as Truth need a good God to sell. But in reality, they limit God unlawfully by saying God did not create evil. They often try to say that God can’t create anything that is not of His Own character. They object that if God is good then He can’t create evil.

God specifically says He creates evil:

Isaiah 45:5-7  I am the Lord, and there is none else: there is no God besides me: I girded thee, and thou hast not known me:  That they may know who are from the rising of the sun, and they who are from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is none else:  I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
The reality is that God creates things that not of His Own character and therein proves He is unlimited and all-powerful and unrestrained in the use of His power in addition to not being subject to what He tells creatures to do. He is God; we are not.  Satan simply made up an objection that limited God in the guise of complementing God that also had the strange quality of opening the door to mysterizing what is plain ..if it was true. And to those who wanted a Good God to sell, that good being understandable exclusively in a fallen mind and heart of man and not as new creation but simply as supposedly self-choosing to follow God’s implied ‘will-neutral holy information’ along with the ceremonies of those who speak them, God not creating evil seemed a beautiful piece of theology –and still does to them.

In creating moral evil, evil creatures, evil circumstances and the whole real world and total reality except for Himself, God predetermined the reprobate just as He predetermined the elect. There is no mystery.

There is only one God: One determinism that is honest and real in the One Word of God. It is vital that you know it. Knowing it grants a holy fear of God that God demands you have and which will be a treasure to you in the end. It is Satan that seeks a theology that mystifies and does away with the true and necessary fear of God.

Isaiah 33:6  And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure.

Proverbs 9:9-12  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.  For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.  If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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